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From: mpc755 on 29 Apr 2010 23:13 On Apr 29, 11:09 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Apr 29, 8:06 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 29, 11:01 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 29, 7:55 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 29, 10:53 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 29, 7:46 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 10:42 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 7:34 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 10:33 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 7:31 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 9:36 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 4:46 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 28, 8:04 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 28, 7:22 pm, xxein <xx...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The jet stream goes 'over the waterfall' and winds up at the Rindler > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horizon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following image can be considered to be an image of the universe, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the local universe: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > xxein: Only if our visible universe was the only one and closed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our 'local' visible universe does not have to be the only one. All > > > > > > > > > > > > > paths of light lead back to the point of emission, the 'Quantum > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fluctuations' point in the previous image, or the Rindler Horizon. It > > > > > > > > > > > > > is only closed until we can figure out how to see beyond our 'local' > > > > > > > > > > > > > universe, if there is such a thing as beyond the 'local' universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very nice image of the universe as a manifold. > > > > > > > > > > > > (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Big_bang_manifold.png) > > > > > > > > > > > > > This correlates nicely with my view that the universe is, or the local > > > > > > > > > > > > universe exists in, a jet stream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following can be considered to be an image of the universe (or the > > > > > > > > > > > > local universe): > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 'Big Bang' is more of a 'Big Ongoing'. What is presently > > > > > > > > > > > > misunderstood as a 'Big Bang' is an ongoing process.. Material is > > > > > > > > > > > > continually passing the point labeled 'Inflation' in the former image. > > > > > > > > > > > > Material is continually being emitted into the jet stream the universe > > > > > > > > > > > > is, or the local universe exists in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time starts at the emission point. This is what is labeled as the > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Beginning of Time' in the former image. But just like the 'Big Bang' > > > > > > > > > > > > is more of a 'Big Ongoing', the beginning of time is relative. It is > > > > > > > > > > > > continually the beginning of time for the material which is being > > > > > > > > > > > > emitted into the jet stream. The material expands as it moves away > > > > > > > > > > > > from the emission point. The material eventually 'falls over the water > > > > > > > > > > > > fall' and winds up at the blue disk shown in the latter image. > > > > > > > > > > > > Eventually, the material is re-emitted into the jet stream and for > > > > > > > > > > > > this material it will once again be time zero. > > > > > > > > > > > > > The analogy is the material which 'falls' past the event horizon of a > > > > > > > > > > > > black hole. When this material is emitted into the jet stream of the > > > > > > > > > > > > black hole, for this material it is time zero. This material will > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually 'fall over the water fall', 'fall' past the event horizon, > > > > > > > > > > > > and be re-emitted into the jet stream. For this material it would once > > > > > > > > > > > > again be time zero. This process is what is often referred to as > > > > > > > > > > > > 'space wrapping around itself'. A similar process is occurring on a > > > > > > > > > > > > larger scale for the universe, or the local universe.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > Woudn't the stuff that God created first just become junk? > > > > > > > > > > > What happens to dead stars? > > > > > > > > > > > > You say the universe is a junk yard that recycles? > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > > Until everything else having to do with the physics of nature is > > > > > > > > > > understood, how something exists from nothing (i.e. the Big Bang or > > > > > > > > > > God) has no place in the physics of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > The universe is, or the local universe exists in, a jet stream. > > > > > > > > > > > If you rotate the following image 90 degrees so the 'Quantum > > > > > > > > > > Fluctuations' is at the bottom then the image is of a pressure cooker. > > > > > > > > > > >http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html > > > > > > > > > > > The following images could be interpreted as being images of the > > > > > > > > > > universe, or the local universe, jet stream: > > > > > > > > > > >http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Big_bang_manifold..png > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg > > > > > > > > > > >http://huntersofthecloud.com/images/HuntersofTheCloudmagfield.gif > > > > > > > > > > > Where the blue disk in the former image and the gray area in the > > > > > > > > > > latter image represent the Rindler Horizon: > > > > > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rindler_coordinates#Geodesics > > > > > > > > > > > What I am saying is what we see in our telescopes is matter moving > > > > > > > > > > away from us. The matter is moving away from us in already existing > > > > > > > > > > three dimensional space. > > > > > > > > > > > What is mistaken as a 'Big Bang' is a 'Big Ongoing'. Material is > > > > > > > > > > continually being emitted into the universal jet stream.. > > > > > > > > > > > Here are some conceptual images of Einstein's Universe: > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/teaching/HPS_0410/chapters/relativistic... > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.new-science-theory.com/space-time-continuum.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > If you continue these images so 'space wraps around itself' then the > > > > > > > > > > material expanding in the universal jet stream 'falls over the water > > > > > > > > > > fall' and will eventually wind up being re-emitted into the universal > > > > > > > > > > jet stream. > > > > > > > > > > > Time starts for the material when the material is emitted into the > > > > > > > > > > universal jet stream. Time starts each and every time the material is > > > > > > > > > > emitted into the universal jet stream.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > How something exists from nothing is the definition of God I believe. > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > Which means it has no place when discussing the physics of nature.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > Sorry sir but you are mistaken. The Mind of God created physics. > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > What occurred physically in nature to cause god to exist?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > Nature is creation. Creation needs a Creator. There is no universe > > > > > without God. And there is only one universe and one higher dimension. > > > > > That's not what I asked you. This is a physics forum. As such its > > > > purpose is to understand what occurs physically in nature. > > > > > What occurred physically in nature to cause god to exist? > > > > > If you can't answer that question then god is not pertinent when > > > > discussing the physics of nature.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Yes this is a physics forum. But where do you get off saying that > > > physics does not go back to God? > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > What I said was god has no place when trying to understand the physics > > of nature. Saying 'because god did it' is pointless and adds no value. > > Saying 'because god did it' does not help advance our understanding of > > the physics of nature. Saying 'because god did it' is a cop out.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > There is meaning in everything. Even science reflects the nature of > God. > > Mitch Raemsch The universe is, or the local universe exists in, a jet stream. If you rotate the following image 90 degrees so the 'Quantum Fluctuations' is at the bottom then the image is of a pressure cooker. http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html The following images could be interpreted as being images of the universe, or the local universe, jet stream: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Big_bang_manifold.png http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg http://huntersofthecloud.com/images/HuntersofTheCloudmagfield.gif Where the blue disk in the former image and the gray area in the latter image represent the Rindler Horizon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rindler_coordinates#Geodesics What I am saying is what we see in our telescopes is matter moving away from us. The matter is moving away from us in already existing three dimensional space. What is mistaken as a 'Big Bang' is a 'Big Ongoing'. Material is continually being emitted into the universal jet stream. Here are some conceptual images of Einstein's Universe: http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/teaching/HPS_0410/chapters/relativistic_cosmology/Einstein_universe.gif http://www.new-science-theory.com/space-time-continuum.jpg If you continue these images so 'space wraps around itself' then the material expanding in the universal jet stream 'falls over the water fall' and will eventually wind up being re-emitted into the universal jet stream. Time starts for the material when the material is emitted into the universal jet stream. Time starts each and every time the material is emitted into the universal jet stream.
From: mpc755 on 29 Apr 2010 23:19 On Apr 29, 11:09 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > There is meaning in everything. Even science reflects the nature of > God. > > Mitch Raemsch The universe is, or the local universe exists in, a jet stream. If you rotate the following image 90 degrees so the 'Quantum Fluctuations' is at the bottom then the image is of a pressure cooker. http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html The following images could be interpreted as being images of the universe, or the local universe, jet stream: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Big_bang_manifold.png http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg http://huntersofthecloud.com/images/HuntersofTheCloudmagfield.gif Where the blue disk in the former image and the gray area in the latter image represent the Rindler Horizon: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rindler_coordinates#Geodesics What I am saying is what we see in our telescopes is matter moving away from us. The matter is moving away from us in already existing three dimensional space. What is mistaken as a 'Big Bang' is a 'Big Ongoing'. Material is continually being emitted into the universal jet stream. Here are some conceptual images of Einstein's Universe: http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/teaching/HPS_0410/chapters/relativistic... http://www.new-science-theory.com/space-time-continuum.jpg If you continue these images so 'space wraps around itself' then the material expanding in the universal jet stream 'falls over the water fall' and will eventually wind up being re-emitted into the universal jet stream. Time starts for the material when the material is emitted into the universal jet stream. Time starts each and every time the material is emitted into the universal jet stream.
From: BURT on 29 Apr 2010 23:21 On Apr 29, 8:13 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 29, 11:09 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 8:06 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 29, 11:01 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 29, 7:55 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 29, 10:53 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 7:46 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 10:42 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 7:34 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 10:33 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 7:31 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 9:36 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 4:46 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 28, 8:04 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Apr 28, 7:22 pm, xxein <xx...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The jet stream goes 'over the waterfall' and winds up at the Rindler > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Horizon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following image can be considered to be an image of the universe, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > or the local universe: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > xxein: Only if our visible universe was the only one and closed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Our 'local' visible universe does not have to be the only one. All > > > > > > > > > > > > > > paths of light lead back to the point of emission, the 'Quantum > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fluctuations' point in the previous image, or the Rindler Horizon. It > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is only closed until we can figure out how to see beyond our 'local' > > > > > > > > > > > > > > universe, if there is such a thing as beyond the 'local' universe. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Very nice image of the universe as a manifold. > > > > > > > > > > > > > (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Big_bang_manifold.png) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This correlates nicely with my view that the universe is, or the local > > > > > > > > > > > > > universe exists in, a jet stream. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The following can be considered to be an image of the universe (or the > > > > > > > > > > > > > local universe): > > > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The 'Big Bang' is more of a 'Big Ongoing'. What is presently > > > > > > > > > > > > > misunderstood as a 'Big Bang' is an ongoing process. Material is > > > > > > > > > > > > > continually passing the point labeled 'Inflation' in the former image. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Material is continually being emitted into the jet stream the universe > > > > > > > > > > > > > is, or the local universe exists in. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Time starts at the emission point. This is what is labeled as the > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Beginning of Time' in the former image. But just like the 'Big Bang' > > > > > > > > > > > > > is more of a 'Big Ongoing', the beginning of time is relative. It is > > > > > > > > > > > > > continually the beginning of time for the material which is being > > > > > > > > > > > > > emitted into the jet stream. The material expands as it moves away > > > > > > > > > > > > > from the emission point. The material eventually 'falls over the water > > > > > > > > > > > > > fall' and winds up at the blue disk shown in the latter image. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Eventually, the material is re-emitted into the jet stream and for > > > > > > > > > > > > > this material it will once again be time zero. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The analogy is the material which 'falls' past the event horizon of a > > > > > > > > > > > > > black hole. When this material is emitted into the jet stream of the > > > > > > > > > > > > > black hole, for this material it is time zero. This material will > > > > > > > > > > > > > eventually 'fall over the water fall', 'fall' past the event horizon, > > > > > > > > > > > > > and be re-emitted into the jet stream. For this material it would once > > > > > > > > > > > > > again be time zero. This process is what is often referred to as > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'space wrapping around itself'. A similar process is occurring on a > > > > > > > > > > > > > larger scale for the universe, or the local universe.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > > Woudn't the stuff that God created first just become junk? > > > > > > > > > > > > What happens to dead stars? > > > > > > > > > > > > > You say the universe is a junk yard that recycles? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > > > Until everything else having to do with the physics of nature is > > > > > > > > > > > understood, how something exists from nothing (i.e. the Big Bang or > > > > > > > > > > > God) has no place in the physics of nature. > > > > > > > > > > > > The universe is, or the local universe exists in, a jet stream. > > > > > > > > > > > > If you rotate the following image 90 degrees so the 'Quantum > > > > > > > > > > > Fluctuations' is at the bottom then the image is of a pressure cooker. > > > > > > > > > > > >http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html > > > > > > > > > > > > The following images could be interpreted as being images of the > > > > > > > > > > > universe, or the local universe, jet stream: > > > > > > > > > > > >http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Big_bang_manifold.png > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg > > > > > > > > > > > >http://huntersofthecloud.com/images/HuntersofTheCloudmagfield.gif > > > > > > > > > > > > Where the blue disk in the former image and the gray area in the > > > > > > > > > > > latter image represent the Rindler Horizon: > > > > > > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rindler_coordinates#Geodesics > > > > > > > > > > > > What I am saying is what we see in our telescopes is matter moving > > > > > > > > > > > away from us. The matter is moving away from us in already existing > > > > > > > > > > > three dimensional space. > > > > > > > > > > > > What is mistaken as a 'Big Bang' is a 'Big Ongoing'. Material is > > > > > > > > > > > continually being emitted into the universal jet stream. > > > > > > > > > > > > Here are some conceptual images of Einstein's Universe: > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/teaching/HPS_0410/chapters/relativistic... > > > > > > > > > > > >http://www.new-science-theory.com/space-time-continuum..jpg > > > > > > > > > > > > If you continue these images so 'space wraps around itself' then the > > > > > > > > > > > material expanding in the universal jet stream 'falls over the water > > > > > > > > > > > fall' and will eventually wind up being re-emitted into the universal > > > > > > > > > > > jet stream. > > > > > > > > > > > > Time starts for the material when the material is emitted into the > > > > > > > > > > > universal jet stream. Time starts each and every time the material is > > > > > > > > > > > emitted into the universal jet stream.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > > How something exists from nothing is the definition of God I believe. > > > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > > > Which means it has no place when discussing the physics of nature.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > > > Sorry sir but you are mistaken. The Mind of God created physics. > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > What occurred physically in nature to cause god to exist?- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > > > Nature is creation. Creation needs a Creator. There is no universe > > > > > > without God. And there is only one universe and one higher dimension. > > > > > > That's not what I asked you. This is a physics forum. As such its > > > > > purpose is to understand what occurs physically in nature. > > > > > > What occurred physically in nature to cause god to exist? > > > > > > If you can't answer that question then god is not pertinent when > > > > > discussing the physics of nature.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Yes this is a physics forum. But where do you get off saying that > > > > physics does not go back to God? > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > What I said was god has no place when trying to understand the physics > > > of nature. Saying 'because god did it' is pointless and adds no value.. > > > Saying 'because god did it' does not help advance our understanding of > > > the physics of nature. Saying 'because god did it' is a cop out.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > There is meaning in everything. Even science reflects the nature of > > God. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > The universe is, or the local universe exists in, a jet stream. > > If you rotate the following image 90 degrees so the 'Quantum > Fluctuations' is at the bottom then the image is of a pressure cooker. > > http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html > > The following images could be interpreted as being images of the > universe, or the local universe, jet stream: > > http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Big_bang_manifold.png > > http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg > > http://huntersofthecloud.com/images/HuntersofTheCloudmagfield.gif > > Where the blue disk in the former image and the gray area in the > latter image represent the Rindler Horizon: > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rindler_coordinates#Geodesics > > What I am saying is what we see in our telescopes is matter moving > away from us. The matter is moving away from us in already existing > three dimensional space. > > What is mistaken as a 'Big Bang' is a 'Big Ongoing'. Material is > continually being emitted into the universal jet stream. > > Here are some conceptual images of Einstein's Universe: > > http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/teaching/HPS_0410/chapters/relativistic... > > http://www.new-science-theory.com/space-time-continuum.jpg > > If you continue these images so 'space wraps around itself' then the > material > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -... What if the universe expanded slower than light speed? Its age would be larger than the distant objects "light years." No. The most distant objects space expanded at less than the speed of light to arrive at their light years distances. This means it took 22 billion for them to arive at their distances. Then light comming back from them was traveling through expanding space. This adds another 22 billion years. The age of the universe is 44 billion. Mitch Raemsch Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 29 Apr 2010 23:31 On Apr 29, 11:21 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On Apr 29, 8:13 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > The universe is, or the local universe exists in, a jet stream. > > > If you rotate the following image 90 degrees so the 'Quantum > > Fluctuations' is at the bottom then the image is of a pressure cooker. > > >http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html > > > The following images could be interpreted as being images of the > > universe, or the local universe, jet stream: > > >http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Big_bang_manifold.png > > >http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg > > >http://huntersofthecloud.com/images/HuntersofTheCloudmagfield.gif > > > Where the blue disk in the former image and the gray area in the > > latter image represent the Rindler Horizon: > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rindler_coordinates#Geodesics > > > What I am saying is what we see in our telescopes is matter moving > > away from us. The matter is moving away from us in already existing > > three dimensional space. > > > What is mistaken as a 'Big Bang' is a 'Big Ongoing'. Material is > > continually being emitted into the universal jet stream. > > > Here are some conceptual images of Einstein's Universe: > > >http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/teaching/HPS_0410/chapters/relativistic... > > >http://www.new-science-theory.com/space-time-continuum.jpg > > > If you continue these images so 'space wraps around itself' then the > > material > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -... > > What if the universe expanded slower than light speed? > Its age would be larger than the distant objects "light years." > No. The most distant objects space expanded at less than the speed of > light to arrive at their light years distances. This means it took 22 > billion for them to arive at their distances. Then light comming back > from them was traveling through expanding space. This adds another 22 > billion years. > > The age of the universe is 44 billion. > > Mitch Raemsch > > Mitch Raemsch The 'age' of the universe is relative. The material right now which is being emitted into the universal jet stream is at time zero. We are looking back in time, but all of the material which we can see with our telescopes did not all exist all at once. Material is constantly being emitted into our visible universal jet stream. Material was emitted into the universal jet stream long before the material which is us was emitted into the universal jet stream. The 'Big Bang' is more correctly described as a 'Big Ongoing'. Material is constantly being emitted, and re-emitted, into the visible universal jet stream. Eventually all the material which is us and our neighboring material will 'fall over the waterfall' and eventually be re-emitted into the visible universal jet stream.
From: BURT on 29 Apr 2010 23:37 On Apr 29, 8:31 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 29, 11:21 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 29, 8:13 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > The universe is, or the local universe exists in, a jet stream. > > > > If you rotate the following image 90 degrees so the 'Quantum > > > Fluctuations' is at the bottom then the image is of a pressure cooker.. > > > >http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html > > > > The following images could be interpreted as being images of the > > > universe, or the local universe, jet stream: > > > >http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Big_bang_manifold.png > > > >http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg > > > >http://huntersofthecloud.com/images/HuntersofTheCloudmagfield.gif > > > > Where the blue disk in the former image and the gray area in the > > > latter image represent the Rindler Horizon: > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rindler_coordinates#Geodesics > > > > What I am saying is what we see in our telescopes is matter moving > > > away from us. The matter is moving away from us in already existing > > > three dimensional space. > > > > What is mistaken as a 'Big Bang' is a 'Big Ongoing'. Material is > > > continually being emitted into the universal jet stream. > > > > Here are some conceptual images of Einstein's Universe: > > > >http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/teaching/HPS_0410/chapters/relativistic.... > > > >http://www.new-science-theory.com/space-time-continuum.jpg > > > > If you continue these images so 'space wraps around itself' then the > > > material > > > > read more »- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -... > > > What if the universe expanded slower than light speed? > > Its age would be larger than the distant objects "light years." > > No. The most distant objects space expanded at less than the speed of > > light to arrive at their light years distances. This means it took 22 > > billion for them to arive at their distances. Then light comming back > > from them was traveling through expanding space. This adds another 22 > > billion years. > > > The age of the universe is 44 billion. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > Mitch Raemsch > > The 'age' of the universe is relative. The material right now which is > being emitted into the universal jet stream is at time zero. We are > looking back in time, but all of the material which we can see with > our telescopes did not all exist all at once. Material is constantly > being emitted into our visible universal jet stream. Material was > emitted into the universal jet stream long before the material which > is us was emitted into the universal jet stream. > > The 'Big Bang' is more correctly described as a 'Big Ongoing'. > > Material is constantly being emitted, and re-emitted, into the visible > universal jet stream. Eventually all the material which is us and our > neighboring material will 'fall over the waterfall' and eventually be > re-emitted into the visible universal jet stream.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Ages are not relatives. Everything had a common origin in the very beginning. Though becuase of gravity there will be some diferences due to slower absolute time. But relative is not the way to think about them. Mitch Raemsch
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