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From: mpc755 on 28 Apr 2010 20:04 On Apr 28, 7:22 pm, xxein <xx...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > On Apr 27, 11:27 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 27, 11:22 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 27, 7:11 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 27, 7:49 pm,xxein<xx...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 27, 8:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 26, 7:40 pm,xxein<xx...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Apr 26, 10:23 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:> On Apr 26, 10:07 am, fitz <zeus...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > NASA's Dark Energy and Dark Matter > > > > > > > >xxein: You said: "What is described as "space effectively flows > > > > > > > towards matter" is the pressure exerted by the aether towards the > > > > > > > matter." > > > > > > > > Is that a description of gravity? If so, it is terribly wrong. > > > > > > > > Doesn't the outward pressure of ether expand the universe as well? > > > > > > > The universe is not expanding. The universe is, or the local universe > > > > > > is in, a jet stream. > > > > > > > If you rotate the following image 90 degrees so the 'Quantum > > > > > > Fluctuations' is at the bottom then the image is of a pressure cooker. > > > > > > >http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html > > > > > > > The following images could be interpreted as being images of the > > > > > > universe, or the local universe: > > > > > > >http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg > > > > > > >http://huntersofthecloud.com/images/HuntersofTheCloudmagfield.gif > > > > > > > Where the blue disk in the former image and the gray area in the > > > > > > latter image represent the Rindler Horizon: > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rindler_coordinates#Geodesics > > > > > > > > Doesn't it flow to make galaxies go away from each other? > > > > > > > The aether does not 'flow'. The aether acts as a one something. > > > > > > > > The same as > > > > > > > in the pressure that causes ether to flow towards matter? > > > > > > > The aether does not 'flow' towards matter. You missed a very important > > > > > > point in the article: > > > > > > > Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constanthttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047 > > > > > > > "However this is not a flow of some form of matter through space, > > > > > > as previously considered in the aether models or in the random > > > > > > particulate Le Sage kinetic theory of gravity, rather the flow is an > > > > > > ongoing rearrangement of the quantum-foam patterns that form space, > > > > > > and indeed only have a geometrical description at a coarse-grained > > > > > > level. Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns > > > > > > in nearby regions, and not relative to some a priori background > > > > > > geometrical space" > > > > > > > The aether displaced by the matter is the "ongoing rearrangement of > > > > > > the quantum-foam patterns that form space". > > > > > > > "Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns in > > > > > > nearby regions" is the pressure exerted by the aether towards the > > > > > > matter where the state of the aether as determined by its connections > > > > > > with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is > > > > > > the aether's state of displacement. > > > > > >xxein: Does mass move in a gravity? You envision something else that > > > > > turns out to be a very limited pov. > > > > > Aether and matter are different states of the same material. > > > > Aether is displaced by matter. > > > > Displacement creates pressure. > > > > Gravity is pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter. > > > > > 'On the super-fluid property of the relativistic physical vacuum > > > > medium and the inertial motion of particles'http://arxiv.org/ftp/gr-qc/papers/0701/0701155.pdf > > > > > "Abstract: The similarity between the energy spectra of relativistic > > > > particles and that of quasi-particles in super-conductivity BCS theory > > > > makes us conjecture that the relativistic physical vacuum medium as > > > > the ground state of the background field is a super fluid medium, and > > > > the rest mass of a relativistic particle is like the energy gap of a > > > > quasi-particle. This conjecture is strongly supported by the results > > > > of our following investigation: a particle moving through the vacuum > > > > medium at a speed less than the speed of light in vacuum, though > > > > interacting with the vacuum medium, never feels friction force and > > > > thus undergoes a frictionless and inertial motion." > > > > > A particle in the super fluid medium displaces the super fluid medium, > > > > whether the particle is at rest with respect to the super fluid > > > > medium, or not. A moving particle creates a displacement wave in the > > > > super fluid medium. > > > > > A particle in the aether displaces the aether, whether the particle is > > > > at rest with respect to the aether, or not. The particle could be an > > > > individual nucleus. A moving particle creates a displacement wave in > > > > the aether. > > > > > Aether is displaced by an individual nucleus. When discussing gravity > > > > as the pressure exerted by the aether displaced by matter, what is > > > > being discussed is the aether displaced by each and every nucleus > > > > which is the matter which is the object. > > > > > > Is not mass carried along by something? Do you defy a gravity and > > > > > reject a universal expansion? Show how the different red and blue- > > > > > shift observations to outer localities are made then. > > > > > I am stating that what is thought to be a 'Big Bang' is more of a 'Big > > > > Ongoing'. > > > > > What we see in our telescopes is matter moving away from us. That does > > > > not mean the universe itself is expanding. > > > > > The following can be considered to be an image of an ongoing process: > > > > >http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html > > > > > The following can be considered to be an image of the universe, or the > > > > local universe: > > > > >http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg > > > > > Do you see the top of the 'Black Hole' where the jet stream begins? > > > > This is analogous to the 'Quantum Fluctuations' in the previous image. > > > > > What is presently considered to be the 'Big Bang' is an ongoing > > > > process. Material is continually emitted into the universal jet stream > > > > at the ejection point which is the 'Quantum Fluctuations' point in the > > > > previous image. As the material moves away from the emission point it > > > > expands in already existing three dimensional space. It spreads out as > > > > it moves away from the emission point. This is what we mistake for an > > > > expanding universe. This process continues until the material 'falls > > > > over the waterfall' and winds up at the Rindler Horizon (the blue disk > > > > in the latter image). The material is eventually re-emitted into the > > > > jet stream. This is a continual process associated with the universe, > > > > or the local universe.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > If the universe isn't expanding then where is the jet stream headed > > > to? > > > The jet stream goes 'over the waterfall' and winds up at the Rindler > > Horizon. > > > The following image can be considered to be an image of the universe, > > or the local universe: > > >http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg-Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > xxein: Only if our visible universe was the only one and closed. Our 'local' visible universe does not have to be the only one. All paths of light lead back to the point of emission, the 'Quantum Fluctuations' point in the previous image, or the Rindler Horizon. It is only closed until we can figure out how to see beyond our 'local' universe, if there is such a thing as beyond the 'local' universe.
From: BURT on 28 Apr 2010 21:42 On Apr 28, 4:22 pm, xxein <xx...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > On Apr 27, 11:27 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 11:22 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 27, 7:11 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 27, 7:49 pm,xxein<xx...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 27, 8:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 26, 7:40 pm,xxein<xx...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Apr 26, 10:23 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:> On Apr 26, 10:07 am, fitz <zeus...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > NASA's Dark Energy and Dark Matter > > > > > > > >xxein: You said: "What is described as "space effectively flows > > > > > > > towards matter" is the pressure exerted by the aether towards the > > > > > > > matter." > > > > > > > > Is that a description of gravity? If so, it is terribly wrong. > > > > > > > > Doesn't the outward pressure of ether expand the universe as well? > > > > > > > The universe is not expanding. The universe is, or the local universe > > > > > > is in, a jet stream. > > > > > > > If you rotate the following image 90 degrees so the 'Quantum > > > > > > Fluctuations' is at the bottom then the image is of a pressure cooker. > > > > > > >http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html > > > > > > > The following images could be interpreted as being images of the > > > > > > universe, or the local universe: > > > > > > >http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg > > > > > > >http://huntersofthecloud.com/images/HuntersofTheCloudmagfield.gif > > > > > > > Where the blue disk in the former image and the gray area in the > > > > > > latter image represent the Rindler Horizon: > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rindler_coordinates#Geodesics > > > > > > > > Doesn't it flow to make galaxies go away from each other? > > > > > > > The aether does not 'flow'. The aether acts as a one something. > > > > > > > > The same as > > > > > > > in the pressure that causes ether to flow towards matter? > > > > > > > The aether does not 'flow' towards matter. You missed a very important > > > > > > point in the article: > > > > > > > Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constanthttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047 > > > > > > > "However this is not a flow of some form of matter through space, > > > > > > as previously considered in the aether models or in the random > > > > > > particulate Le Sage kinetic theory of gravity, rather the flow is an > > > > > > ongoing rearrangement of the quantum-foam patterns that form space, > > > > > > and indeed only have a geometrical description at a coarse-grained > > > > > > level. Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns > > > > > > in nearby regions, and not relative to some a priori background > > > > > > geometrical space" > > > > > > > The aether displaced by the matter is the "ongoing rearrangement of > > > > > > the quantum-foam patterns that form space". > > > > > > > "Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns in > > > > > > nearby regions" is the pressure exerted by the aether towards the > > > > > > matter where the state of the aether as determined by its connections > > > > > > with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is > > > > > > the aether's state of displacement. > > > > > >xxein: Does mass move in a gravity? You envision something else that > > > > > turns out to be a very limited pov. > > > > > Aether and matter are different states of the same material. > > > > Aether is displaced by matter. > > > > Displacement creates pressure. > > > > Gravity is pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter. > > > > > 'On the super-fluid property of the relativistic physical vacuum > > > > medium and the inertial motion of particles'http://arxiv.org/ftp/gr-qc/papers/0701/0701155.pdf > > > > > "Abstract: The similarity between the energy spectra of relativistic > > > > particles and that of quasi-particles in super-conductivity BCS theory > > > > makes us conjecture that the relativistic physical vacuum medium as > > > > the ground state of the background field is a super fluid medium, and > > > > the rest mass of a relativistic particle is like the energy gap of a > > > > quasi-particle. This conjecture is strongly supported by the results > > > > of our following investigation: a particle moving through the vacuum > > > > medium at a speed less than the speed of light in vacuum, though > > > > interacting with the vacuum medium, never feels friction force and > > > > thus undergoes a frictionless and inertial motion." > > > > > A particle in the super fluid medium displaces the super fluid medium, > > > > whether the particle is at rest with respect to the super fluid > > > > medium, or not. A moving particle creates a displacement wave in the > > > > super fluid medium. > > > > > A particle in the aether displaces the aether, whether the particle is > > > > at rest with respect to the aether, or not. The particle could be an > > > > individual nucleus. A moving particle creates a displacement wave in > > > > the aether. > > > > > Aether is displaced by an individual nucleus. When discussing gravity > > > > as the pressure exerted by the aether displaced by matter, what is > > > > being discussed is the aether displaced by each and every nucleus > > > > which is the matter which is the object. > > > > > > Is not mass carried along by something? Do you defy a gravity and > > > > > reject a universal expansion? Show how the different red and blue- > > > > > shift observations to outer localities are made then. > > > > > I am stating that what is thought to be a 'Big Bang' is more of a 'Big > > > > Ongoing'. > > > > > What we see in our telescopes is matter moving away from us. That does > > > > not mean the universe itself is expanding. > > > > > The following can be considered to be an image of an ongoing process: > > > > >http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html > > > > > The following can be considered to be an image of the universe, or the > > > > local universe: > > > > >http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg > > > > > Do you see the top of the 'Black Hole' where the jet stream begins? > > > > This is analogous to the 'Quantum Fluctuations' in the previous image. > > > > > What is presently considered to be the 'Big Bang' is an ongoing > > > > process. Material is continually emitted into the universal jet stream > > > > at the ejection point which is the 'Quantum Fluctuations' point in the > > > > previous image. As the material moves away from the emission point it > > > > expands in already existing three dimensional space. It spreads out as > > > > it moves away from the emission point. This is what we mistake for an > > > > expanding universe. This process continues until the material 'falls > > > > over the waterfall' and winds up at the Rindler Horizon (the blue disk > > > > in the latter image). The material is eventually re-emitted into the > > > > jet stream. This is a continual process associated with the universe, > > > > or the local universe.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > If the universe isn't expanding then where is the jet stream headed > > > to? > > > The jet stream goes 'over the waterfall' and winds up at the Rindler > > Horizon. > > > The following image can be considered to be an image of the universe, > > or the local universe: > > >http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg-Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > xxein: Only if our visible universe was the only one and closed.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - There is only One God.
From: mpc755 on 29 Apr 2010 19:42 On Apr 28, 8:04 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 28, 7:22 pm, xxein <xx...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 27, 11:27 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Apr 27, 11:22 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On Apr 27, 7:11 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Apr 27, 7:49 pm,xxein<xx...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 27, 8:28 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On Apr 26, 7:40 pm,xxein<xx...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > > > > > On Apr 26, 10:23 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:> On Apr 26, 10:07 am, fitz <zeus...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > NASA's Dark Energy and Dark Matter > > > > > > > > >xxein: You said: "What is described as "space effectively flows > > > > > > > > towards matter" is the pressure exerted by the aether towards the > > > > > > > > matter." > > > > > > > > > Is that a description of gravity? If so, it is terribly wrong. > > > > > > > > > Doesn't the outward pressure of ether expand the universe as well? > > > > > > > > The universe is not expanding. The universe is, or the local universe > > > > > > > is in, a jet stream. > > > > > > > > If you rotate the following image 90 degrees so the 'Quantum > > > > > > > Fluctuations' is at the bottom then the image is of a pressure cooker. > > > > > > > >http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html > > > > > > > > The following images could be interpreted as being images of the > > > > > > > universe, or the local universe: > > > > > > > >http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg > > > > > > > >http://huntersofthecloud.com/images/HuntersofTheCloudmagfield.gif > > > > > > > > Where the blue disk in the former image and the gray area in the > > > > > > > latter image represent the Rindler Horizon: > > > > > > > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rindler_coordinates#Geodesics > > > > > > > > > Doesn't it flow to make galaxies go away from each other? > > > > > > > > The aether does not 'flow'. The aether acts as a one something. > > > > > > > > > The same as > > > > > > > > in the pressure that causes ether to flow towards matter? > > > > > > > > The aether does not 'flow' towards matter. You missed a very important > > > > > > > point in the article: > > > > > > > > Gravitation, the 'Dark Matter' Effect and the Fine Structure Constanthttp://arxiv.org/abs/physics/0401047 > > > > > > > > "However this is not a flow of some form of matter through space, > > > > > > > as previously considered in the aether models or in the random > > > > > > > particulate Le Sage kinetic theory of gravity, rather the flow is an > > > > > > > ongoing rearrangement of the quantum-foam patterns that form space, > > > > > > > and indeed only have a geometrical description at a coarse-grained > > > > > > > level. Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns > > > > > > > in nearby regions, and not relative to some a priori background > > > > > > > geometrical space" > > > > > > > > The aether displaced by the matter is the "ongoing rearrangement of > > > > > > > the quantum-foam patterns that form space". > > > > > > > > "Then the flow in one region is relative only to the patterns in > > > > > > > nearby regions" is the pressure exerted by the aether towards the > > > > > > > matter where the state of the aether as determined by its connections > > > > > > > with the matter and the state of the aether in neighboring places is > > > > > > > the aether's state of displacement. > > > > > > >xxein: Does mass move in a gravity? You envision something else that > > > > > > turns out to be a very limited pov. > > > > > > Aether and matter are different states of the same material. > > > > > Aether is displaced by matter. > > > > > Displacement creates pressure. > > > > > Gravity is pressure exerted by aether displaced by matter. > > > > > > 'On the super-fluid property of the relativistic physical vacuum > > > > > medium and the inertial motion of particles'http://arxiv.org/ftp/gr-qc/papers/0701/0701155.pdf > > > > > > "Abstract: The similarity between the energy spectra of relativistic > > > > > particles and that of quasi-particles in super-conductivity BCS theory > > > > > makes us conjecture that the relativistic physical vacuum medium as > > > > > the ground state of the background field is a super fluid medium, and > > > > > the rest mass of a relativistic particle is like the energy gap of a > > > > > quasi-particle. This conjecture is strongly supported by the results > > > > > of our following investigation: a particle moving through the vacuum > > > > > medium at a speed less than the speed of light in vacuum, though > > > > > interacting with the vacuum medium, never feels friction force and > > > > > thus undergoes a frictionless and inertial motion." > > > > > > A particle in the super fluid medium displaces the super fluid medium, > > > > > whether the particle is at rest with respect to the super fluid > > > > > medium, or not. A moving particle creates a displacement wave in the > > > > > super fluid medium. > > > > > > A particle in the aether displaces the aether, whether the particle is > > > > > at rest with respect to the aether, or not. The particle could be an > > > > > individual nucleus. A moving particle creates a displacement wave in > > > > > the aether. > > > > > > Aether is displaced by an individual nucleus. When discussing gravity > > > > > as the pressure exerted by the aether displaced by matter, what is > > > > > being discussed is the aether displaced by each and every nucleus > > > > > which is the matter which is the object. > > > > > > > Is not mass carried along by something? Do you defy a gravity and > > > > > > reject a universal expansion? Show how the different red and blue- > > > > > > shift observations to outer localities are made then. > > > > > > I am stating that what is thought to be a 'Big Bang' is more of a 'Big > > > > > Ongoing'. > > > > > > What we see in our telescopes is matter moving away from us. That does > > > > > not mean the universe itself is expanding. > > > > > > The following can be considered to be an image of an ongoing process: > > > > > >http://aether.lbl.gov/image_all.html > > > > > > The following can be considered to be an image of the universe, or the > > > > > local universe: > > > > > >http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg > > > > > > Do you see the top of the 'Black Hole' where the jet stream begins? > > > > > This is analogous to the 'Quantum Fluctuations' in the previous image. > > > > > > What is presently considered to be the 'Big Bang' is an ongoing > > > > > process. Material is continually emitted into the universal jet stream > > > > > at the ejection point which is the 'Quantum Fluctuations' point in the > > > > > previous image. As the material moves away from the emission point it > > > > > expands in already existing three dimensional space. It spreads out as > > > > > it moves away from the emission point. This is what we mistake for an > > > > > expanding universe. This process continues until the material 'falls > > > > > over the waterfall' and winds up at the Rindler Horizon (the blue disk > > > > > in the latter image). The material is eventually re-emitted into the > > > > > jet stream. This is a continual process associated with the universe, > > > > > or the local universe.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > If the universe isn't expanding then where is the jet stream headed > > > > to? > > > > The jet stream goes 'over the waterfall' and winds up at the Rindler > > > Horizon. > > > > The following image can be considered to be an image of the universe, > > > or the local universe: > > > >http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg-Hidequoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > xxein: Only if our visible universe was the only one and closed. > > Our 'local' visible universe does not have to be the only one. All > paths of light lead back to the point of emission, the 'Quantum > Fluctuations' point in the previous image, or the Rindler Horizon. It > is only closed until we can figure out how to see beyond our 'local' > universe, if there is such a thing as beyond the 'local' universe. Very nice image of the universe as a manifold. (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Big_bang_manifold.png) This correlates nicely with my view that the universe is, or the local universe exists in, a jet stream. The following can be considered to be an image of the universe (or the local universe): http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg The 'Big Bang' is more of a 'Big Ongoing'. What is presently misunderstood as a 'Big Bang' is an ongoing process. Material is continually passing the point labeled 'Inflation' in the former image. Material is continually being emitted into the jet stream the universe is, or the local universe exists in. Time starts at the emission point. This is what is labeled as the 'Beginning of Time' in the former image. But just like the 'Big Bang' is more of a 'Big Ongoing', the beginning of time is relative. It is continually the beginning of time for the material which is being emitted into the jet stream. The material expands as it moves away from the emission point. The material eventually 'falls over the water fall' and winds up at the blue disk shown in the latter image. Eventually, the material is re-emitted into the jet stream and for this material it will once again be time zero. The analogy is the material which 'falls' past the event horizon of a black hole. When this material is emitted into the jet stream of the black hole, for this material it is time zero. This material will eventually 'fall over the water fall', 'fall' past the event horizon, and be re-emitted into the jet stream. For this material it would once again be time zero. This process is what is often referred to as 'space wrapping around itself'. A similar process is occurring on a larger scale for the universe, or the local universe.
From: mpc755 on 29 Apr 2010 19:46 On Apr 28, 8:04 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 28, 7:22 pm, xxein <xx...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > > The jet stream goes 'over the waterfall' and winds up at the Rindler > > > Horizon. > > > > The following image can be considered to be an image of the universe, > > > or the local universe: > > > >http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg > > > xxein: Only if our visible universe was the only one and closed. > > Our 'local' visible universe does not have to be the only one. All > paths of light lead back to the point of emission, the 'Quantum > Fluctuations' point in the previous image, or the Rindler Horizon. It > is only closed until we can figure out how to see beyond our 'local' > universe, if there is such a thing as beyond the 'local' universe. Very nice image of the universe as a manifold. (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Big_bang_manifold.png) This correlates nicely with my view that the universe is, or the local universe exists in, a jet stream. The following can be considered to be an image of the universe (or the local universe): http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg The 'Big Bang' is more of a 'Big Ongoing'. What is presently misunderstood as a 'Big Bang' is an ongoing process. Material is continually passing the point labeled 'Inflation' in the former image. Material is continually being emitted into the jet stream the universe is, or the local universe exists in. Time starts at the emission point. This is what is labeled as the 'Beginning of Time' in the former image. But just like the 'Big Bang' is more of a 'Big Ongoing', the beginning of time is relative. It is continually the beginning of time for the material which is being emitted into the jet stream. The material expands as it moves away from the emission point. The material eventually 'falls over the water fall' and winds up at the blue disk shown in the latter image. Eventually, the material is re-emitted into the jet stream and for this material it will once again be time zero. The analogy is the material which 'falls' past the event horizon of a black hole. When this material is emitted into the jet stream of the black hole, for this material it is time zero. This material will eventually 'fall over the water fall', 'fall' past the event horizon, and be re-emitted into the jet stream. For this material it would once again be time zero. This process is what is often referred to as 'space wrapping around itself'. A similar process is occurring on a larger scale for the universe, or the local universe.
From: BURT on 29 Apr 2010 21:36
On Apr 29, 4:46 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Apr 28, 8:04 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Apr 28, 7:22 pm, xxein <xx...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > > > > > The jet stream goes 'over the waterfall' and winds up at the Rindler > > > > Horizon. > > > > > The following image can be considered to be an image of the universe, > > > > or the local universe: > > > > >http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg > > > > xxein: Only if our visible universe was the only one and closed. > > > Our 'local' visible universe does not have to be the only one. All > > paths of light lead back to the point of emission, the 'Quantum > > Fluctuations' point in the previous image, or the Rindler Horizon. It > > is only closed until we can figure out how to see beyond our 'local' > > universe, if there is such a thing as beyond the 'local' universe. > > Very nice image of the universe as a manifold. > (http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Big_bang_manifold.png) > > This correlates nicely with my view that the universe is, or the local > universe exists in, a jet stream. > > The following can be considered to be an image of the universe (or the > local universe): > > http://www.feandft.com/BlackHole.jpg > > The 'Big Bang' is more of a 'Big Ongoing'. What is presently > misunderstood as a 'Big Bang' is an ongoing process. Material is > continually passing the point labeled 'Inflation' in the former image. > Material is continually being emitted into the jet stream the universe > is, or the local universe exists in. > > Time starts at the emission point. This is what is labeled as the > 'Beginning of Time' in the former image. But just like the 'Big Bang' > is more of a 'Big Ongoing', the beginning of time is relative. It is > continually the beginning of time for the material which is being > emitted into the jet stream. The material expands as it moves away > from the emission point. The material eventually 'falls over the water > fall' and winds up at the blue disk shown in the latter image. > Eventually, the material is re-emitted into the jet stream and for > this material it will once again be time zero. > > The analogy is the material which 'falls' past the event horizon of a > black hole. When this material is emitted into the jet stream of the > black hole, for this material it is time zero. This material will > eventually 'fall over the water fall', 'fall' past the event horizon, > and be re-emitted into the jet stream. For this material it would once > again be time zero. This process is what is often referred to as > 'space wrapping around itself'. A similar process is occurring on a > larger scale for the universe, or the local universe.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Woudn't the stuff that God created first just become junk? What happens to dead stars? You say the universe is a junk yard that recycles? Mitch Raemsch |