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From: ~misfit~ on 13 May 2010 19:17 Somewhere on teh intarwebs BillW50 wrote: > In > news:197aedc8-4bab-4647-bfd8-a75662fffea3(a)11g2000prw.googlegroups.com, > Pawlly Phonic typed on Thu, 13 May 2010 12:56:28 -0700 (PDT): >> On May 13, 12:45 pm, Bill <Billabo...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> In message >>> <be4cf247-d8d5-449d-a917-29a8d900a...(a)m31g2000pre.googlegroups.com>, >>> Pawlly Phonic <pawllypho...(a)gmail.com> writes >>> >>>> It'll have to be a Windows 7 machine. The user may want to back >>>> down to XP. XP SP3 is what I'm using right now. >>> >>> Just for info, I've been playing with XPMode in Windows 7. We even >>> have it working in a local business to run old accounts software. >>> >>> For audio, it works OK for playback and editing and allows the use >>> of very old software, but recording is "unsupported" and very, very >>> iffy or not at all. >>> >>> -- >>> Bill >> >> Thanks. Won't be recording from the laptop. But re XPMode- is that >> 64 bit win7 or 32? Will XP mode work with 64? >> >> Paula > > It requires Windows 7 Starter, Home Premium, Professional, Ultimate or > Enterprise edition. And laptop has to be virtualization capable (Intel > VT or AMD-V). And XPM (XP Mode) has 32-bit or 64-bit versions for the > above except only available in 32-bit for Windows 7 Starter. Didn't I read about two months back that the need for VT had been quietly dropped? Yes, I thought so: http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/b/windows7/archive/2010/03/18/windows-xp-mode-now-accessible-to-more-pcs.aspx HTH, -- Shaun. "When we dream.... that's just our brains defragmenting" G Jackson.
From: ~misfit~ on 13 May 2010 19:20 Somewhere on teh intarwebs Pawlly Phonic wrote: > 1st thanks to those who helped so much with my previous project re > laptops with VERY RELIABLE power jacks. This one needs that too but > there are other needs as well. I know there are many threads like > this, but they can't help but come up repeatedly as what's available > out there keeps changing. Thank goodness there are those generous > with their wisdom. > > Now, the main thing is it must be near silent. It is to be used in a > studio environment. I realize this is not just a matter of the > computer model. The fan makes the noise (though perhaps you know who > makes quieter fans) and the fan runs higher the hotter the thing gets > so strategies for keeping it cool are also a consideration. > Unfortunately most extra-computer ones just involve more fans. > Knowing any features (or lack of them) that are a clue to noise (or > lack of it) might help. It may actually be used on someone's lap some > of the time, which isn't going to help. (Though I suppose flesh might > muffle the noise somewhat until the heat produces a scream.) > > Otherwise it needs to be fairly powerful- I'm thinking i5, at LEAST > 4GM mem and the preference is for small. No more than 14.x" and 11" > would be better. b, g, n of course. Great video not necessary. > Optical drive not necessary though if size needs to go up to 13-14 it > might as well have one. > > Another consideration though a lesser one would be available warranty > plans. 4 or 5 years instead of the usual 3 would be a plus. > > $2,000 max including warranty. Negotiable. > > But above all, as silent as possible. > > Ideas much appreciated. > > Thanks again, > > Paula Just my 2c. Make sure that the machine doesn't have discrete graphics such as an ATI or nVidia GPU. From what you say above you don't need it and these are often a bigger source of heat than the CPU. -- Shaun. "When we dream.... that's just our brains defragmenting" G Jackson.
From: Pawlly Phonic on 14 May 2010 14:17 On May 13, 4:20 pm, "~misfit~" <sore_n_ha...(a)nospamyahoo.com.au> wrote: > Somewhere on teh intarwebs Pawlly Phonic wrote: > > > > > 1st thanks to those who helped so much with my previous project re > > laptops with VERY RELIABLE power jacks. This one needs that too but > > there are other needs as well. I know there are many threads like > > this, but they can't help but come up repeatedly as what's available > > out there keeps changing. Thank goodness there are those generous > > with their wisdom. > > > Now, the main thing is it must be near silent. It is to be used in a > > studio environment. I realize this is not just a matter of the > > computer model. The fan makes the noise (though perhaps you know who > > makes quieter fans) and the fan runs higher the hotter the thing gets > > so strategies for keeping it cool are also a consideration. > > Unfortunately most extra-computer ones just involve more fans. > > Knowing any features (or lack of them) that are a clue to noise (or > > lack of it) might help. It may actually be used on someone's lap some > > of the time, which isn't going to help. (Though I suppose flesh might > > muffle the noise somewhat until the heat produces a scream.) > > > Otherwise it needs to be fairly powerful- I'm thinking i5, at LEAST > > 4GM mem and the preference is for small. No more than 14.x" and 11" > > would be better. b, g, n of course. Great video not necessary. > > Optical drive not necessary though if size needs to go up to 13-14 it > > might as well have one. > > > Another consideration though a lesser one would be available warranty > > plans. 4 or 5 years instead of the usual 3 would be a plus. > > > $2,000 max including warranty. Negotiable. > > > But above all, as silent as possible. > > > Ideas much appreciated. > > > Thanks again, > > > Paula > > Just my 2c. Make sure that the machine doesn't have discrete graphics such > as an ATI or nVidia GPU. From what you say above you don't need it and these > are often a bigger source of heat than the CPU. > -- > Shaun. > > "When we dream.... that's just our brains defragmenting" G Jackson. Thank you guys for clearing up about xp mode and that sounds like a biggie, Shaun, re graphics. I'm looking at a Lenovo X201 12" i5 8GB. I formed a strategy of calling companies and asking which of their models was the quietest, as obviously they're going to say they are quieter or as quiet as anyone else's models. The Lenovo salesman at least had the best story. Buy Thinkpad (made solider for businessmen) and it's fan has blades "shaped like owl wings to move a lot of air silently." ....Right. But at least it shows Lenovo is aware enough of those of us that need Quiet computing to have thought of a good pat line to pass out. Any experience with Thinkpad relative noise? For my part I can testify the quite big owls can move quite fast with an eerie silence. Anyhow, Shaun it's video is just "Intel HD Graphics" though I'm going to call the owl wings team back and make sure that doesn't include "discreet graphics." Thanks again, Paula
From: BillW50 on 14 May 2010 14:24 In news:hsi1ah$mh8$1(a)news.eternal-september.org, ~misfit~ typed on Fri, 14 May 2010 11:17:31 +1200: > Didn't I read about two months back that the need for VT had been > quietly dropped? > > Yes, I thought so: > http://windowsteamblog.com/windows/b/windows7/archive/2010/03/18/windows-xp-mode-now-accessible-to-more-pcs.aspx > > HTH, Well I stand corrected. Which happens once in a blue moon. ;-) -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows XP SP3
From: BillW50 on 14 May 2010 14:35
In news:f2069ee9-da68-480a-936c-de64a4c6c0b8(a)34g2000prs.googlegroups.com, Pawlly Phonic typed on Fri, 14 May 2010 11:17:12 -0700 (PDT): > On May 13, 4:20 pm, "~misfit~" <sore_n_ha...(a)nospamyahoo.com.au> > wrote: >> Somewhere on teh intarwebs Pawlly Phonic wrote: >> >> >> >>> 1st thanks to those who helped so much with my previous project re >>> laptops with VERY RELIABLE power jacks. This one needs that too but >>> there are other needs as well. I know there are many threads like >>> this, but they can't help but come up repeatedly as what's available >>> out there keeps changing. Thank goodness there are those generous >>> with their wisdom. >> >>> Now, the main thing is it must be near silent. It is to be used in a >>> studio environment. I realize this is not just a matter of the >>> computer model. The fan makes the noise (though perhaps you know who >>> makes quieter fans) and the fan runs higher the hotter the thing >>> gets so strategies for keeping it cool are also a consideration. >>> Unfortunately most extra-computer ones just involve more fans. >>> Knowing any features (or lack of them) that are a clue to noise (or >>> lack of it) might help. It may actually be used on someone's lap >>> some of the time, which isn't going to help. (Though I suppose >>> flesh might muffle the noise somewhat until the heat produces a >>> scream.) >> >>> Otherwise it needs to be fairly powerful- I'm thinking i5, at LEAST >>> 4GM mem and the preference is for small. No more than 14.x" and 11" >>> would be better. b, g, n of course. Great video not necessary. >>> Optical drive not necessary though if size needs to go up to 13-14 >>> it might as well have one. >> >>> Another consideration though a lesser one would be available >>> warranty plans. 4 or 5 years instead of the usual 3 would be a plus. >> >>> $2,000 max including warranty. Negotiable. >> >>> But above all, as silent as possible. >> >>> Ideas much appreciated. >> >>> Thanks again, >> >>> Paula >> >> Just my 2c. Make sure that the machine doesn't have discrete >> graphics such as an ATI or nVidia GPU. From what you say above you >> don't need it and these are often a bigger source of heat than the >> CPU. -- >> Shaun. >> >> "When we dream.... that's just our brains defragmenting" G Jackson. > > Thank you guys for clearing up about xp mode and that sounds like a > biggie, Shaun, re graphics. I'm looking at a Lenovo X201 12" i5 8GB. > I formed a strategy of calling companies and asking which of their > models was the quietest, as obviously they're going to say they are > quieter or as quiet as anyone else's models. The Lenovo salesman at > least had the best story. Buy Thinkpad (made solider for businessmen) > and it's fan has blades "shaped like owl wings to move a lot of air > silently." > > ...Right. But at least it shows Lenovo is aware enough of those of us > that need Quiet computing to have thought of a good pat line to pass > out. > > Any experience with Thinkpad relative noise? For my part I can > testify the quite big owls can move quite fast with an eerie silence. > > Anyhow, Shaun it's video is just "Intel HD Graphics" though I'm going > to call the owl wings team back and make sure that doesn't include > "discreet graphics." > > Thanks again, > > Paula Well I don't know what Lenovo is doing. But you have to wonder when Consumer Reports polled 75,000 users who bought a laptop between 2005 and 2009 about their experiences. And Lenovo and Dell came in tied for dead last. As 21% of them had either repaired or had a serious problem. Toshiba had the fewest at 16%. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows XP SP3 |