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From: BillW50 on 14 May 2010 17:32 In news:hsk56e$1re$1(a)news.eternal-september.org, BillW50 typed on Fri, 14 May 2010 13:35:54 -0500: > Well I don't know what Lenovo is doing. But you have to wonder when > Consumer Reports polled 75,000 users who bought a laptop between 2005 > and 2009 about their experiences. And Lenovo and Dell came in tied for > dead last. As 21% of them had either repaired or had a serious > problem. Toshiba had the fewest at 16%. If you were curious who was in the running, here was the list. Repairs and Serious Problems ---------------------------- Toshiba 16% Sony 17% Compaq 18% Acer 19% Apple 19% HP 20% Gateway 20% Dell 21% Lenovo 21% I was surprised that Asus wasn't in the list. As they generally make really good laptops. There are some lesser known makes too. I am sure if they were included both Dell and Lenovo wouldn't be sitting at the bottom. And I wish Alienware were polled. As they are one of the most powerful laptops out there. But I have no idea what their reliability falls at. Generally the more powerful, the less reliable they are. -- Bill Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows XP SP3
From: Pawlly Phonic on 15 May 2010 15:57 On May 14, 2:32 pm, "BillW50" <Bill...(a)aol.kom> wrote: > Innews:hsk56e$1re$1(a)news.eternal-september.org, > BillW50 typed on Fri, 14 May 2010 13:35:54 -0500: > > > Well I don't know what Lenovo is doing. But you have to wonder when > > Consumer Reports polled 75,000 users who bought a laptop between 2005 > > and 2009 about their experiences. And Lenovo and Dell came in tied for > > dead last. As 21% of them had either repaired or had a serious > > problem. Toshiba had the fewest at 16%. > > If you were curious who was in the running, here was the list. > > Repairs and Serious Problems > ---------------------------- > Toshiba 16% > Sony 17% > Compaq 18% > Acer 19% > Apple 19% > HP 20% > Gateway 20% > Dell 21% > Lenovo 21% > > I was surprised that Asus wasn't in the list. As they generally make > really good laptops. There are some lesser known makes too. I am sure if > they were included both Dell and Lenovo wouldn't be sitting at the > bottom. And I wish Alienware were polled. As they are one of the most > powerful laptops out there. But I have no idea what their reliability > falls at. Generally the more powerful, the less reliable they are. > > -- > Bill > Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Windows XP SP3 Asus seems to market differently & perhaps their support system is also different, making it difficult to do a comparison. Looking at their website it appeared they don't sell direct. Is it possible to custom design one? Perhaps from some vendors. I know one PCMag survey had them rated #1 in... hmm... customer satisfaction or something. The interesting thing to me about your listing is how close the spread is. Only 5 percentage points separate the nine listees. I can see why Dell is at bottom at least in my part of the country. Every small and medium business seems to have been sold them, and seeing so many clueless receptionists banging away at them... Paula
From: Pawlly Phonic on 16 May 2010 01:52 And another thing to worry about. Anyone know if any brand/model still comes with those loud clacking keyboards? Again thanks, Paula
From: ~misfit~ on 16 May 2010 05:47 Somewhere on teh intarwebs BillW50 wrote: > In news:hsk56e$1re$1(a)news.eternal-september.org, > BillW50 typed on Fri, 14 May 2010 13:35:54 -0500: >> Well I don't know what Lenovo is doing. But you have to wonder when >> Consumer Reports polled 75,000 users who bought a laptop between 2005 >> and 2009 about their experiences. And Lenovo and Dell came in tied >> for dead last. As 21% of them had either repaired or had a serious >> problem. Toshiba had the fewest at 16%. > > If you were curious who was in the running, here was the list. > > Repairs and Serious Problems > ---------------------------- > Toshiba 16% > Sony 17% > Compaq 18% > Acer 19% > Apple 19% > HP 20% > Gateway 20% > Dell 21% > Lenovo 21% > > I was surprised that Asus wasn't in the list. As they generally make > really good laptops. There are some lesser known makes too. I am sure > if they were included both Dell and Lenovo wouldn't be sitting at the > bottom. And I wish Alienware were polled. As they are one of the most > powerful laptops out there. But I have no idea what their reliability > falls at. Generally the more powerful, the less reliable they are. My experience with multiple IBM/Lenovo laptops made between 2004 and 2008 is completely contrary to that data. However they're all 'ThinkPads', a premium brand that IBM still own part of the rights to. I have little experience of Lenovo's own models, I've only had one through here but it was fine. Alienware are merely a range of gaming machines made by Dell, so look there for your data. BTW I've been involved in discussions about that list you quoted above before. Not only does it include damage and accidents attributable to the user it also shows that there's not that big a difference between the various brands. 16% to 21%? A variation of only 5%. It doesn't seem so much when you look at it like that. -- Cheers, Shaun. "When we dream.... that's just our brains defragmenting" G Jackson.
From: ~misfit~ on 16 May 2010 05:57
Somewhere on teh intarwebs Pawlly Phonic wrote: > On May 13, 4:20 pm, "~misfit~" <sore_n_ha...(a)nospamyahoo.com.au> > wrote: >> Somewhere on teh intarwebs Pawlly Phonic wrote: >> >> >> >>> 1st thanks to those who helped so much with my previous project re >>> laptops with VERY RELIABLE power jacks. This one needs that too but >>> there are other needs as well. I know there are many threads like >>> this, but they can't help but come up repeatedly as what's available >>> out there keeps changing. Thank goodness there are those generous >>> with their wisdom. >> >>> Now, the main thing is it must be near silent. It is to be used in a >>> studio environment. I realize this is not just a matter of the >>> computer model. The fan makes the noise (though perhaps you know who >>> makes quieter fans) and the fan runs higher the hotter the thing >>> gets so strategies for keeping it cool are also a consideration. >>> Unfortunately most extra-computer ones just involve more fans. >>> Knowing any features (or lack of them) that are a clue to noise (or >>> lack of it) might help. It may actually be used on someone's lap >>> some of the time, which isn't going to help. (Though I suppose >>> flesh might muffle the noise somewhat until the heat produces a >>> scream.) >> >>> Otherwise it needs to be fairly powerful- I'm thinking i5, at LEAST >>> 4GM mem and the preference is for small. No more than 14.x" and 11" >>> would be better. b, g, n of course. Great video not necessary. >>> Optical drive not necessary though if size needs to go up to 13-14 >>> it might as well have one. >> >>> Another consideration though a lesser one would be available >>> warranty plans. 4 or 5 years instead of the usual 3 would be a plus. >> >>> $2,000 max including warranty. Negotiable. >> >>> But above all, as silent as possible. >> >>> Ideas much appreciated. >> >>> Thanks again, >> >>> Paula >> >> Just my 2c. Make sure that the machine doesn't have discrete >> graphics such as an ATI or nVidia GPU. From what you say above you >> don't need it and these are often a bigger source of heat than the >> CPU. -- >> Shaun. >> >> "When we dream.... that's just our brains defragmenting" G Jackson. > > Thank you guys for clearing up about xp mode and that sounds like a > biggie, Shaun, re graphics. I'm looking at a Lenovo X201 12" i5 8GB. > I formed a strategy of calling companies and asking which of their > models was the quietest, as obviously they're going to say they are > quieter or as quiet as anyone else's models. The Lenovo salesman at > least had the best story. Buy Thinkpad (made solider for businessmen) > and it's fan has blades "shaped like owl wings to move a lot of air > silently." > > ...Right. But at least it shows Lenovo is aware enough of those of us > that need Quiet computing to have thought of a good pat line to pass > out. > > Any experience with Thinkpad relative noise? For my part I can > testify the quite big owls can move quite fast with an eerie silence. > > Anyhow, Shaun it's video is just "Intel HD Graphics" though I'm going > to call the owl wings team back and make sure that doesn't include > "discreet graphics." Hi Paula, The Core i5 series of mobile processors have a graphics processor built into the actual CPU so won't have discrete graphics (unless paired with a GPU in a high-end workstation in a switchable configuration). Therefore it's likely a good choice, the graphics processor, being on the CPU rather than being either discrete or part of the chipset equals an efficient system, with the cooler only needing to handle the heat produced by a single source. Also they're built on a 32nm process so should run fairly cool. -- Shaun. "When we dream.... that's just our brains defragmenting" G Jackson. |