From: John Woodgate on
In message <eb7gsk$s9b$5(a)blue.rahul.net>, dated Mon, 7 Aug 2006, Ken
Smith <kensmith(a)green.rahul.net> writes

>Unfortunately, the US seems to be trying to make a strong central
>government. This isn't likely to work for them.

A weak central government is no use to man nor beast. All governments
need to be strong in their domain, but to have no more **powers** than
are really necessary.
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From: Ken Smith on
In article <44D63156.398F88EC(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com>,
Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>Phat Bytestard wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 16:29:20 +0100, Eeyore
>> <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> Gave us:
>>
>> >That's easy. Of course I don't want them to be defeated. I'd like to see them
>> >live in peace with their neighbours and I fear that their current actions are
>> >more likely to adversely affect that possibility.
>>
>> "Their current action" was 100% defensive, dumbass.
>
>You've got a very odd idea of defence.

The US DOD stands for Department Of Defence so *everything* they do is
defence and paid for by the "defence budget".
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From: John Fields on
On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 19:21:41 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
<f.bemelmanq(a)xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:

>
>"John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> schreef in bericht
>news:at2cd2le18m3i1d0oarbf6rmdjr0pevf0r(a)4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 6 Aug 2006 11:03:25 +0200, "Frank Bemelman"
>> <f.bemelmanq(a)xs4all.invalid.nl> wrote:
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>>>"John Fields" <jfields(a)austininstruments.com> schreef in bericht
>>
>>>> ---
>>>> Do you want us to lose?
>>>
>>>No, just want the US to realize what they have caused by going in
>>>on their own, neglecting the UN's advice to wait a tiny bit longer.
>>
>> ---
>> I we'd taken the UN's advice we'd _still_ be playing their waiting
>> game.
>
>Possibly. WMD don't pop up just like mushrooms in your garden, after
>three days of heavy rain.

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Nor do they stick around once you've made public the decision to go
looking for them.
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>But the USA has shown great disrespect for
>these democraticially made decisions, and that is a bloody shame.

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No, it isn't. Those "democratically made decisions" were made in
order to try to maintain the status quo, of which Saddam would
certainly have had no part in, and certainly didn't bind us to their
prescribed course of inaction. Our decision to put an end to
Saddam's reign of terror was necessary, and by your admission that
we should have waited "a tiny bit" longer, you recognize that as
fact.
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>Even more so because of the results. There is a enourmous amount of blood on
>the hands of the USA.

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Of course there is. There's an enormous amount of blood on
_everyone's_ hands who goes to war. Or, by delaying an inevitable
confrontation, causes the number of lives lost in the conflict to
increase.
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>Something *you* have to live with, asking yourself if it was worth spending
>those montly $10 or whatever it is. You should be bloody ashamed of
>yourself, giving your continious support to your terrorist government.

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Now you're just being vindictive.

I'd much rather support my government in order to keep radical Islam
from taking over the world than I would aiding and abetting radical
Islam as you seem to be doing.

If you have a bloodless solution which would keep everyone involved
happy or, at the very least, a compromise which everyone could live
with, I'm sure we'd _all_ be overjoyed to hear it.


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Professional Circuit Designer
From: Ken Smith on
In article <iaicd2piaq12qtl3ibbc36u9gpnu0mfkgk(a)4ax.com>,
Phat Bytestard <phatbytestard(a)getinmahharddrive.org> wrote:
>On Sun, 06 Aug 2006 20:00:40 +0100, Eeyore
><rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> Gave us:
>
>>
>>
>>Jim Yanik wrote:
>>
>>> Saddam was using Oil-for-Food money to rebuild his palaces and fund WMD
>>> programs
>>
>>There weren't any WMDs !
>
> Yes there were,

They were right next to the easterbunny and the toothfairy.

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From: Ken Smith on
In article <jNve$zpSok1EFwHv(a)jmwa.demon.co.uk>,
John Woodgate <jmw(a)jmwa.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>In message <44D63C58.CBBA6896(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com>, dated Sun, 6 Aug
>2006, Eeyore <rabbitsfriendsandrelations(a)REMOVETHIS.hotmail.com> writes
>>Jim Yanik wrote:
>>
>>> Saddam was using Oil-for-Food money to rebuild his palaces and fund WMD
>>> programs
>>
>>There weren't any WMDs !
>
>No. A big surprise, isn't it?

Saddam ruled by fear. People are afraid of WMDs. He had a strong motive
to lead his people and others to believe that he had WMDs. He was always
at risk of his own people rising up against him.

I haven't heard of any effort by the US to buy equipment for finding
hidden WMDs. This makes it appear that they didn't really expect to have
to find them.


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