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From: ME on 3 Jun 2006 01:02 "what a huge responsibility to fall on such an unlikely sector of society." That's hilarious. John you DO have a sense of humor. Thanks, I had the best laugh of the day. I liked it. My first calculator was a Pickett aluminum (a mechanical analog computer) It sits on my desk at work. "John H Meyers" <jhmeyers(a)nomail.invalid> wrote in message news:op.taibfb07nn735j(a)news.cis.dfn.de... > On Fri, 02 Jun 2006 00:30:41 -0500: > >> It will be difficult to train the play station generation >> to replace us if... > > Perhaps the decline of present civilization can be halted > simply by HP's producing calculators that cater to it; > what a huge responsibility to fall on such an unlikely sector of society. > > Well, it wouldn't be the first time that a tech toy > turned out to be crucial to the future of the galaxy... > > http://imdb.com/title/tt0087597/plotsummary
From: Jean-Yves Avenard on 3 Jun 2006 06:56 timite_h wrote: > Well it would be stupid to ban a calculator designed to replace the > TI84+/HP39G level of calculator just because it has a touch sensitive > screen. check what is allowed/disallowed for maths exam in the US. touch screen is one. Probably why the TI N'Spire doesn't have one JY
From: Wes on 3 Jun 2006 12:14 > Well it would be stupid to ban a calculator designed to replace the > TI84+/HP39G level of calculator just because it has a touch sensitive > screen. Perhaps, but they're banned never-the-less. The SAT and Advanced Placement (AP) exams do not allow a calculators with: pen/stylus input; pocket organizers; models with QWERTY keyboards; models with paper tapes; models that make noise or "talk"; models that require an electrical outlet; and cell phone calculators. For example, the TI-92+ and TI-Voyage 200 are not allowed because of their QWERTY keyboards, while a TI-89 with its ABC keyboard is allowed, even though they are essentially the same calculator running the exact same OS. I guess you have to draw the line somewhere. The specifications must be things that an unknowledgeable proctor can easily identify. -wes
From: ME on 3 Jun 2006 12:56 I started out using a slide rule but there never was a limit to the kind of slide rule that you could use. A better slide rule would provide an unfair advantage too. Part of education is to be able to choose and be proficient with the best tools that you can find. They should have a "no electronic devices" part of the exam and a "anything goes without communication" part of the exam. If you can't do the last part well then don't do it. Anyway in many grad courses you don't even need a calc. The bottom line is that it is a game and who ever plays it the best wins which is something entirely apart from testing your knowledge. A Bluetooth adaptor for your calc could come in quite handy! "Drawing the line" is totally arbitrary. "Wes" <wjltemp-gg(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1149351283.679303.295840(a)f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >> Well it would be stupid to ban a calculator designed to replace the >> TI84+/HP39G level of calculator just because it has a touch sensitive >> screen. > > Perhaps, but they're banned never-the-less. The SAT and Advanced > Placement (AP) exams do not allow a calculators with: pen/stylus input; > pocket organizers; models with QWERTY keyboards; models with paper > tapes; models that make noise or "talk"; models that require an > electrical outlet; and cell phone calculators. > > For example, the TI-92+ and TI-Voyage 200 are not allowed because of > their QWERTY keyboards, while a TI-89 with its ABC keyboard is allowed, > even though they are essentially the same calculator running the exact > same OS. > > I guess you have to draw the line somewhere. The specifications must > be things that an unknowledgeable proctor can easily identify. > > -wes >
From: John Stebbins on 3 Jun 2006 13:27
What is driving most of the calculator restrictions is not the computational power, but the fear that the device will be used to copy the test questions. So no QWERTY keyboards, no programming capability, no pen input, as these things would allow someone to copy a significant portion of the test in the time given. I am preparing for a professional exam that allows only simple algebraic entry calculators. I may take a slide rule along to see how the test proctors react--and I would find it more useful than the calculators they allow. -jgs "ME" <abcdefg(a)nonodock.net> wrote in message news:1283fpmfh2a264e(a)corp.supernews.com... >I started out using a slide rule but there never was a limit to the kind of >slide rule that you could use. A better slide rule would provide an unfair >advantage too. Part of education is to be able to choose and be proficient >with the best tools that you can find. They should have a "no electronic >devices" part of the exam and a "anything goes without communication" part >of the exam. If you can't do the last part well then don't do it. Anyway in >many grad courses you don't even need a calc. > > The bottom line is that it is a game and who ever plays it the best wins > which is something entirely apart from testing your knowledge. A Bluetooth > adaptor for your calc could come in quite handy! > > "Drawing the line" is totally arbitrary. > "Wes" <wjltemp-gg(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1149351283.679303.295840(a)f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >>> Well it would be stupid to ban a calculator designed to replace the >>> TI84+/HP39G level of calculator just because it has a touch sensitive >>> screen. >> >> Perhaps, but they're banned never-the-less. The SAT and Advanced >> Placement (AP) exams do not allow a calculators with: pen/stylus input; >> pocket organizers; models with QWERTY keyboards; models with paper >> tapes; models that make noise or "talk"; models that require an >> electrical outlet; and cell phone calculators. >> >> For example, the TI-92+ and TI-Voyage 200 are not allowed because of >> their QWERTY keyboards, while a TI-89 with its ABC keyboard is allowed, >> even though they are essentially the same calculator running the exact >> same OS. >> >> I guess you have to draw the line somewhere. The specifications must >> be things that an unknowledgeable proctor can easily identify. >> >> -wes >> > > |