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From: Wes on 3 Jun 2006 16:19 ME wrote: > I started out using a slide rule but there never was a limit to the kind of > slide rule that you could use. A better slide rule would provide an unfair > advantage too. Hmmm. I wonder if my circular slide was considered an unfair advantage by my classmates. :-) Having only one index, it was definately faster to use. > Part of education is to be able to choose and be proficient > with the best tools that you can find. They should have a "no electronic > devices" part of the exam and a "anything goes without communication" part > of the exam. The AP Calculus and Physics exams have almost what you're describing. There's a non-calculator part and an "ALMOST anything goes" part. (On the Calculus test, you are REQUIRED to have a calculator that will graph, numerically solve, and numerically differentiate & integrate.) You can have a calculator with a CAS, any programs, tables, equations, information, etc. you wish, as long at the calculator fits the restrictions mentioned before. However, the tests are specifically written in such a way that these extra helps won't really help you. > "Drawing the line" is totally arbitrary. I think everyone would agree that there has to be a line somewhere. Even "anything goes without communication" is a line. If you allowed something as powerful as a laptop and had all your notes and a database of information (say like a downloaded copy of the MathWorld site, or all the past tests), it would be approaching "communication" even if there's no link to the outside world. I think saying "anything goes" would open up a can of worms that the examiners would have a hard time dealing with. I think they've hit a good balance based on the current, student affordable, technology. The tricky part is that this is a moving target. -wes
From: Veli-Pekka Nousiainen on 4 Jun 2006 08:42 "Jean-Yves Avenard" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message news:4ed86bF1eb0caU1(a)individual.net... > timite_h wrote: > >> Well it would be stupid to ban a calculator designed to replace the >> TI84+/HP39G level of calculator just because it has a touch sensitive >> screen. > > check what is allowed/disallowed for maths exam in the US. > touch screen is one. > Probably why the TI N'Spire doesn't have one > (/&%)(/&)(=/& <sensored> No touch screen on possible Qonos variants either, then?
From: Gene on 4 Jun 2006 16:45 Veli-Pekka Nousiainen wrote: > "Jean-Yves Avenard" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message > > > > check what is allowed/disallowed for maths exam in the US. > > touch screen is one. > > Probably why the TI N'Spire doesn't have one > > > (/&%)(/&)(=/& <sensored> > No touch screen on possible Qonos variants either, then? Gene: If I want a touch screen, I'll use my Palm and the 49g emulator or the Free42s emulator.
From: Veli-Pekka Nousiainen on 4 Jun 2006 20:54 Gene wrote: > Veli-Pekka Nousiainen wrote: >> "Jean-Yves Avenard" <me(a)privacy.net> wrote in message >>> >>> check what is allowed/disallowed for maths exam in the US. >>> touch screen is one. >>> Probably why the TI N'Spire doesn't have one >>> >> (/&%)(/&)(=/& <sensored> >> No touch screen on possible Qonos variants either, then? > > Gene: If I want a touch screen, I'll use my Palm and the 49g emulator > or the Free42s emulator. Do the virtual keyboards work directly on touch screen? Do you still have a qwerty keyboard? Do you have a real calculator keyboard What one could have is a touch screen that allows interaction with graphs
From: bz on 5 Jun 2006 21:49
"ME" <abcdefg(a)nonodock.net> wrote in news:1283fpmfh2a264e(a)corp.supernews.com: > I started out using a slide rule but there never was a limit to the kind > of slide rule that you could use. A better slide rule would provide an > unfair advantage too. Part of education is to be able to choose and be > proficient with the best tools that you can find. They should have a "no > electronic devices" part of the exam and a "anything goes without > communication" part of the exam. If you can't do the last part well then > don't do it. Anyway in many grad courses you don't even need a calc. > > The bottom line is that it is a game and who ever plays it the best wins > which is something entirely apart from testing your knowledge. A > Bluetooth adaptor for your calc could come in quite handy! They ban calculators that could easily be used to transcribe and store the exam contents. The idea is to prevent cheating. Of course, they can't ban applicants with photographic memories. > "Drawing the line" is totally arbitrary. Not really. > "Wes" <wjltemp-gg(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:1149351283.679303.295840(a)f6g2000cwb.googlegroups.com... >>> Well it would be stupid to ban a calculator designed to replace the >>> TI84+/HP39G level of calculator just because it has a touch sensitive >>> screen. >> >> Perhaps, but they're banned never-the-less. The SAT and Advanced >> Placement (AP) exams do not allow a calculators with: pen/stylus input; >> pocket organizers; models with QWERTY keyboards; models with paper >> tapes; models that make noise or "talk"; models that require an >> electrical outlet; and cell phone calculators. >> >> For example, the TI-92+ and TI-Voyage 200 are not allowed because of >> their QWERTY keyboards, while a TI-89 with its ABC keyboard is allowed, >> even though they are essentially the same calculator running the exact >> same OS. >> >> I guess you have to draw the line somewhere. The specifications must >> be things that an unknowledgeable proctor can easily identify. >> >> -wes >> > > -- bz please pardon my infinite ignorance, the set-of-things-I-do-not-know is an infinite set. bz+csh(a)ch100-5.chem.lsu.edu (remove ch100-5 to email) |