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From: Marshall on 3 Oct 2009 16:04 On Oct 3, 10:13 am, Nam Nguyen <namducngu...(a)shaw.ca> wrote: > > You've made it a pointless debate really. The "debate" was pointless from the moment you made up your wacky idea; don't blame Jesse for your inability to understand the situation. Marshall
From: Nam Nguyen on 3 Oct 2009 16:17 Marshall wrote: > On Oct 3, 10:13 am, Nam Nguyen <namducngu...(a)shaw.ca> wrote: >> You've made it a pointless debate really. > > The "debate" was pointless from the moment you made up > your wacky idea; don't blame Jesse for your inability to > understand the situation. > > > Marshall That's all you guys really have: _subjective attack_ with _no technical_ elaboration! A crank, an Inquisitor, a hater, or even an intoxicated, could "technically" "argue" that much. For a change, why don't you and others really ... really examine my examples AND points, technically in details and offer where my reasoning be wrong. And by that, I never mean just copying an author's writing without elaboration on technical merits. Are your guys up to that? Or your guys only have personal innuendo attacks?
From: Marshall on 3 Oct 2009 16:20 On Oct 3, 10:33 am, Nam Nguyen <namducngu...(a)shaw.ca> wrote: > Aatu Koskensilta wrote: > > > Those who feel their discoveries have > > been unjustly ignored, their cogent arguments met with incredulous > > stares and silence, and so on, often find comfort in the idea that > > various famous thinkers have in the past had to battle stagnant > > orthodoxy and mindless regurgitation of received wisdom, all alone, > > armed with nothing but their unwavering conviction and superb > > intellect, understood and appreciated only by later generations > > Kind of a long sentence, I'd think. If you dropped everything and spent the rest of your life studying English, I doubt you could attain the facility with it that he has now. I'd avoid criticizing his diction if I were you. Marshall PS. The sentence is excellent. The epic cadence matches the faux-epic subject matter perfectly. The repeated use of pairs (stares and silence, conviction and intellect, etc.) adds to the poetic content. The various adjectives cohabit the sentence with their usual, almost cliched accompanying nouns, and yet this is clearly a deliberate reinforcement of the mock seriousness of the subject. Aatu is a non-native English speaker; a comparison with Joseph Conrad springs immediately to mind. Do I occasionally get irritated at Aatu? Sure. But never disrespect his English; it is nothing short of awesome.
From: Nam Nguyen on 3 Oct 2009 16:31 Marshall wrote: > On Oct 3, 10:33 am, Nam Nguyen <namducngu...(a)shaw.ca> wrote: >> Aatu Koskensilta wrote: >> >>> Those who feel their discoveries have >>> been unjustly ignored, their cogent arguments met with incredulous >>> stares and silence, and so on, often find comfort in the idea that >>> various famous thinkers have in the past had to battle stagnant >>> orthodoxy and mindless regurgitation of received wisdom, all alone, >>> armed with nothing but their unwavering conviction and superb >>> intellect, understood and appreciated only by later generations >> Kind of a long sentence, I'd think. > > If you dropped everything and spent the rest of your life > studying English, I doubt you could attain the facility with > it that he has now. I'd avoid criticizing his diction if I were > you. I was at all thinking his writing is worse at all. Just that more than one time in my past, my *American* professors advised to me my sentences had been too long obscuring the main points. That's all. > > > Marshall > > PS. The sentence is excellent. The epic cadence matches > the faux-epic subject matter perfectly. The repeated use > of pairs (stares and silence, conviction and intellect, etc.) > adds to the poetic content. The various adjectives cohabit > the sentence with their usual, almost cliched accompanying > nouns, and yet this is clearly a deliberate reinforcement > of the mock seriousness of the subject. Aatu is a non-native > English speaker; a comparison with Joseph Conrad springs > immediately to mind. Do I occasionally get irritated at > Aatu? Sure. But never disrespect his English; it is nothing > short of awesome. I'm here only to concentrate on technical points and issues. So I wouldn't be interested in what you're saying here.
From: Marshall on 4 Oct 2009 02:27
On Oct 3, 1:31 pm, Nam Nguyen <namducngu...(a)shaw.ca> wrote: > Marshall wrote: > > On Oct 3, 10:33 am, Nam Nguyen <namducngu...(a)shaw.ca> wrote: > >> Aatu Koskensilta wrote: > > >>> Those who feel their discoveries have > >>> been unjustly ignored, their cogent arguments met with incredulous > >>> stares and silence, and so on, often find comfort in the idea that > >>> various famous thinkers have in the past had to battle stagnant > >>> orthodoxy and mindless regurgitation of received wisdom, all alone, > >>> armed with nothing but their unwavering conviction and superb > >>> intellect, understood and appreciated only by later generations > >> Kind of a long sentence, I'd think. > > > If you dropped everything and spent the rest of your life > > studying English, I doubt you could attain the facility with > > it that he has now. I'd avoid criticizing his diction if I were > > you. > > I was at all thinking his writing is worse at all. Just that more > than one time in my past, my *American* professors advised to me > my sentences had been too long obscuring the main points. > > That's all. > [...] > I'm here only to concentrate on technical points and issues. > So I wouldn't be interested in what you're saying here. Yes, yes. That's why you pointed out the length of that sentence: because you're here only to concentrate on technical points and issues. Marshall |