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From: Aatu Koskensilta on 1 Oct 2009 08:50 Scott H <zinites_page(a)yahoo.com> writes: > In closing, I will make one remark: My feelings matter. Your feelings matter to the extent anyone's feelings matter. It's bizarre to expect people to pay much attention, beyond ordinary decency, to your feelings when discussing logical and mathematical matters. -- Aatu Koskensilta (aatu.koskensilta(a)uta.fi) "Wovon mann nicht sprechen kann, dar�ber muss man schweigen" - Ludwig Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus
From: David C. Ullrich on 1 Oct 2009 08:54 On Thu, 1 Oct 2009 05:36:49 -0700 (PDT), Scott H <zinites_page(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >I know we're getting off the subject, David C. Ullrich, so I'm going >to be brief. > >On Oct 1, 7:56 am, David C. Ullrich <dullr...(a)sprynet.com> wrote: >> You need to talk to a doctor about all this, perhaps several doctors. >> >> Seriously. > >I have already talked to many doctors and none of their treatments >have ever worked. Not only that, but they have written false >statements about me in their reports that appeared to indicate a >possible profit motive. > >> See, the world is the way the world is, and people are the way they >> are. > >Vacuous statement likely intended to inspire submission to torture. > >> If one person clicking one button on Google Groups makes >> you worry about suicide that's something you need to fix. > >To infer that would be an instance of the fallacy of the single cause. Or perhaps an instance of having read your statement "I have already warned the one-starrer that I have been retching in anguish for three years and that I have *deliberately avoided suicide* to study Goedel's Incompleteness Theorem. He does not seem to realize or care about the danger of his actions. If he continues to hide and one-stars this post, we will take it as further evidence of his lack of empathy and his willingness to 'cross a line' with someone on the brink of suicide." >> No, that's _not_ fair. I'm not talking about the way things >> should be, I'm talking about the way things _are_. You're >> not going to ever get _everyone_ to approve of anything >> you do - if your survival depends on universal approbation >> you simply need to change that. > >To accuse me of seeking approval on the first draft of my essay would >be a straw man. > >In closing, I will make one remark: My feelings matter. I'll leave you >to scratch your head figuring out what that means. I know what it all means. Good luck. David C. Ullrich "Understanding Godel isn't about following his formal proof. That would make a mockery of everything Godel was up to." (John Jones, "My talk about Godel to the post-grads." in sci.logic.)
From: Aatu Koskensilta on 1 Oct 2009 08:59 Marshall <marshall.spight(a)gmail.com> writes: > If I am popping in to a group on a topic I don't know very well, (like > say math or logic) and I see a heated argument between two people, if > one of the two has a one-star rating, it's quite helpful in > interpreting the argument. It is usually very easy to tell people who know their stuff from those who don't. In my experience, starry ratings are not very useful in such assessments. > As an aside, the last time I tried defending the Google rating system, > it resulted in a firestorm of my posts getting rated one star. Ha ha! When I have the time, I'll go and give you some stars. -- Aatu Koskensilta (aatu.koskensilta(a)uta.fi) "Wovon mann nicht sprechen kann, dar�ber muss man schweigen" - Ludwig Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus
From: Jesse F. Hughes on 1 Oct 2009 09:37 Aatu Koskensilta <aatu.koskensilta(a)uta.fi> writes: > Marshall <marshall.spight(a)gmail.com> writes: > > >> As an aside, the last time I tried defending the Google rating system, >> it resulted in a firestorm of my posts getting rated one star. Ha ha! > > When I have the time, I'll go and give you some stars. Now you're just cheapening the stars. Stars should be earned, not given out as favors. Think of the great responsibility that one has as a Google Groups reviewer, Aatu! Imagine if others forfeit their standards and gave stars out on a whim, as you suggest! Why, the rating system would become an unreliable indication of poster merit. I shudder to think of the wider repercussions on Internet society. -- Jesse F. Hughes "Really, I'm not out to destroy Microsoft. That will just be a completely unintentional side effect." -- Linus Torvalds
From: Aatu Koskensilta on 1 Oct 2009 09:53
"Jesse F. Hughes" <jesse(a)phiwumbda.org> writes: > Now you're just cheapening the stars. Stars should be earned, not > given out as favors. I just gave you five stars. > Think of the great responsibility that one has as a Google Groups > reviewer, Aatu! Some people's very lives are at stake. -- Aatu Koskensilta (aatu.koskensilta(a)uta.fi) "Wovon mann nicht sprechen kann, dar�ber muss man schweigen" - Ludwig Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus |