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From: David Kennedy on 27 Mar 2010 06:48 Chris Ridd wrote: > On 2010-03-27 08:47:51 +0000, John Hill said: > >> Andrew Kemp <usenet(a)pell.uklinux.net> wrote: >> >>> nemo(a)erewhon.invalid (John Hill) writes: >>> >>>> "Graham J" <graham(a)invalid> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Is there a built-in newsreader that I could teach the novice to >>>>> use? That >>>>> way he could ask all of you for help ... >>>> >>>> There is no built-in newsreader that comes with OSX. But there are >>>> plenty to choose from... >>> >>> Actually, there is. Mac OS X includes a terminal version of Emacs, >>> which includes the Gnus newsreader. It's not something that I would >>> recommend to novices, however. >> >> What is a "Terminal Version" and how would one find out about it? I can >> find nothing about Emacs or Gnus even in Apple Support. > > Run Terminal.app, which gives you a Unix shell prompt. From there you > can run any installed Unix tools, including one called emacs. > > But seriously, if you need help even *finding* emacs, you *really* > aren't going to enjoy trying to use it & gnus :-( > > Grab a trial copy of Unison from www.panic.com and see if you get on > with it. > Thunderbird. You /know/ it makes sense. -- David Kennedy http://www.anindianinexile.com
From: Andrew Kemp on 27 Mar 2010 06:55 peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk (Peter Ceresole) writes: > Peter Ceresole <peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> The suggestion to use emacs as a newsreader or mail application (it can >> be made to function as either) is more or less a geek's joke As I said, it's not suitable for novices; Gnus is probably only likely to be of interest to people who were using Emacs anyway. I was not suggesting that anyone should use it, merely pointing out that it is there. But it certainly isn't a joke -- I have been using Gnus as my newsreader for years, and I am not the only person in this group who posts from it. I am using Carbon Emacs instead of the version that comes with Mac OS X: <http://homepage.mac.com/zenitani/emacs-e.html> This is an application with its own windows, rather than one that runs within Terminal.app. It's still not very Mac-like, though -- Emacs has its own terminology and user interface conventions. > Oops. Emacs will do mail. For News you need Gnus. But as Chris says; you > wouldn't want to use either... Emacs will do news, using Gnus. It's included as part of Emacs, and runs inside it. Just to confuse things even more, Gnus is also one of the ways that you can do mail with Emacs. <http://www.gnus.org/> -- Drew
From: Jim on 27 Mar 2010 06:57 Peter Ceresole <peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Peter Ceresole <peter(a)cara.demon.co.uk> wrote: > > > The suggestion to use emacs as a newsreader or mail application (it can > > be made to function as either) is more or less a geek's joke > > Oops. Emacs will do mail. For News you need Gnus. But as Chris says; you > wouldn't want to use either... I tried it once. It took me less than a minute to realise I hated it, but about 10 minutes to work out how to get out of it. I'm more of a vi guy... Jim -- "Microsoft admitted its Vista operating system was a 'less good product' in what IT experts have described as the most ambitious understatement since the captain of the Titanic reported some slightly damp tablecloths." http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/
From: John Hill on 27 Mar 2010 08:04 Chris Ridd <chrisridd(a)mac.com> wrote: > On 2010-03-27 08:47:51 +0000, John Hill said: > > > Andrew Kemp <usenet(a)pell.uklinux.net> wrote: > > > >> nemo(a)erewhon.invalid (John Hill) writes: > >> > >>> "Graham J" <graham(a)invalid> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Is there a built-in newsreader that I could teach the novice to use? > >>>> That way he could ask all of you for help ... > >>> > >>> There is no built-in newsreader that comes with OSX. But there are > >>> plenty to choose from... > >> > >> Actually, there is. Mac OS X includes a terminal version of Emacs, > >> which includes the Gnus newsreader. It's not something that I would > >> recommend to novices, however. > > > > What is a "Terminal Version" and how would one find out about it? I can > > find nothing about Emacs or Gnus even in Apple Support. > > Run Terminal.app, which gives you a Unix shell prompt. From there you > can run any installed Unix tools, including one called emacs. > > But seriously, if you need help even *finding* emacs, you *really* > aren't going to enjoy trying to use it & gnus :-( > > Grab a trial copy of Unison from www.panic.com and see if you get on with it. Well, I created a lot of interest there, didn't I? I'll stay with my old friend MacSOUP (and Mail.app for e-mail) - I do have Thunderbird on my Mac, since my wife uses it on her Windows PC, and I can help sort things out if she has a problem. But I'm not used to it and don't much like it. However, I do wish MacSOUP had built-in spelling checking. But thanks to all those who replied. I'm continually astonished by the things Ithat are buried in OSX - I was exploring OnyX the other day (I'd got it to sort out a problem with "internet download" alerts) and came across a list of the meanings of flowers, of all things! John. -- Please reply to john at yclept dot wanadoo dot co dot uk.
From: Peter Ceresole on 27 Mar 2010 10:51
John Hill <nemo(a)erewhon.invalid> wrote: > However, I do wish MacSOUP had built-in spelling > checking. Aren't there bolt-on spell checkers for those kinds of apps? Excalibur is the one I had in mind but may not be the thing you need. Have a look... I think it's free. I know people have used it with Eudora. I'm lucky enough to have a fair idea if and when I've made a spelling mistake (more often as I get more ancient but still not so often as to be a nuisance) so I use the dashboard thing. > I was exploring OnyX the other day (I'd > got it to sort out a problem with "internet download" alerts) and came > across a list of the meanings of flowers, of all things! 'Of all things'? It would be hard to think of anything more central to one's life. -- Peter |