Nuke Experts Deployed To Oil Spill
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From: Brad Guth on 17 May 2010 07:29 On May 16, 10:04 pm, Tim McGaughy <tee...(a)toast.net> wrote: > HVAC wrote: > >http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/7726... > > > And you all thought *I* was crazy...... > > And where exactly in that article did you see a reference to nuclear > weapons? It was implied, because a great deal of energy would be required. However, with underwater plumes suggesting <50e9 barrels of oily sulfur might put yet another complex issue of recovery at risk of being made worse if explosive efforts are used to pinch off that well. It seems most of that reddish-brown acidic muck is heavier than water, so that doing anything before sucking the bulk of it out of the ocean seems foolish. That kind of thick oily plume could even kill our best nuclear subs. Talk about an ocean dead zone, whereas the entire Gulf of Mexico could become the world's largest, and staying that way for years if not decades to come. Way to go BP. ~ BG
From: Hagar on 17 May 2010 08:38 "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic Enterprises" <nolionnoproblem(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:c6c09766-d653-4b2d-a4d3-a98f5f620492(a)y12g2000vbg.googlegroups.com... On May 16, 12:47 pm, "Hagar" <hagen(a)sahm,name> wrote: > "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of > QuixoticEnterprises" <nolionnoprob...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:fff021d5-097a-4f8c-9de5-49ead4df9616(a)r9g2000vbk.googlegroups.com... > On May 16, 12:26 pm, "HVAC" <mr.h...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of > > QuixoticEnterprises" <nolionnoprob...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > > >news:e6c08a4a-00a3-4af4-bbba-13bfc590660d(a)v37g2000vbv.googlegroups.com... > > This oil spill sounds like the worst sticky black blot in the dark > > history of the human race... > > > Get a grip dude. > > > I'm sure in the past many oil spills have occurred naturally. > > >http://www.livescience.com/environment/090520-natural-oil-seeps.html > > I heard of volcanoes erupting naturally, but not oil bursting out of > the place where they have been lying for 300 million years. > > *********************************** > Ever hear of the La Brea Tar Pits ??? > What do you think that ooze is made of .... Are you joking? La Breat Pits is a drop in a bucket compared to a big international worldwide event like this. This is a big fuckup for humanity. *** Yawwwwwnnn ... you're right, Lefty ... the Apocalypse is upon us. One oil related accident every 10 years is within the area of RISK.
From: Brad Guth on 17 May 2010 08:52 On May 16, 1:24 pm, Brian Wraith <brianwra...(a)newzealand.invalid> wrote: > > No, I am suggesting that I am bored with the tangent you embarked upon. You sound off like a BP supporter. Right now that's not a good position for anyone. Here's crazy BP news: 1.6e9<2.4e9 barrels/day ??? http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/17/us/17spill.html The announcement by BP came on the heels of reports that the spill might be might much worse than estimated. Scientists said they had found giant plumes of oil in the deep waters of the gulf, including one as large as 10 miles long, 3 miles wide and 300 feet thick. However, with underwater plumes suggesting <50e9 barrels of oily sulfur might put yet another complex issue of recovery at risk of only being made worse if explosive efforts are used to pinch off that well. It seems most of that reddish-brown acidic muck is heavier than water, so that doing anything before sucking the bulk of it out of the ocean seems foolish. That kind of thick oily plume could even kill our best nuclear subs. Talk about creating an ocean dead zone, whereas the entire Gulf of Mexico could become the world's largest, and staying that way for years if not decades to come. Way to go BP. That one large submerged cloud or plume of heavy sour crude (oily sulphur) is only worth upwards of at least 40e9 barrels thus far, and given 25 days worth of spillage is an average of only 1.6e9 barrels/ day. So, more than likely if adding all those underwater plums and whats on the surface is perhaps worth something near 2.4e9 barrels/ day. You know, its almost as though not one soul in BP knows hardly a damn thing about their own business, other than how to continually lie their oily butts off and smile at the same time. Even if it were only a forth that amount is still a volume of 600 million barrels per day, which seems entirely unrealistic that near 7000 barrels per second took place from that 21 inch diameter wellhead pipe. Its almost as though an extended leak had actually been ongoing for months prior to the final blowout.. Perhaps if we force all BP executives, subcontractors and their crews plus each of their extended families to stay onboard their fleet of support ships outfitted with very long straws, and required of those folks to suck their guts out until every last barrel of that muck is recovered, as such might get the message across. There has always been lithosphere oil and gas leakage (such as heavy oil/tar sands that used to be safely capped just below a relatively fertile layer of topsoil, though not actually per se leaking any substantial amount of hydrocarbons), taking place at perhaps no greater than 0.1% of what BP and other hydrocarbon extractors, transporters and processors combined manage to leak, spill, burn off or directly consume and subsequently pollute on site. If we include those raw natural gas volumes, its more like mother nature has been venting at most .01% (1/10000) as much as we accomplish artificially via drilling platforms, wellhead leakage, mine ventings and of course those bulk volumes of consumption that converts most of it into CO2, NOx plus contributing a number of other rather nasty toxic elements that have no business escaping because, as far as we know theres no global environmental or biodiversity impact that isnt purely negative. Once weve extracted and vented a few trillion tonnes worth of our unrenewable hydrocarbons, and towards the foreseeable end of our global reserves (conceivably 300 some odd years from now) by then consuming 90% in order to extract and deliver 10%, whereas its not going to be easy for anyone below the upper middle caste to survive without involving wars and various other forms of treachery and debauchery, unless renewable forms of clean energy become wide spread and well developed. The lower 90% caste of Earth will just have to fight among themselves because, itll be impossible for those without to fight other than to their deaths against those of us having the most strategic energy reserves and the most at risk thats well defended. Of course for the moment theres always a dozen or more active volcanoes that we know of, plus hundreds if not thousands of significant geothermal vents contributing (mostly water vapor plus sulphur, sodium and a number of less appreciated gasses and nasty elements) as transferred into our surface and atmospheric environment, but thats an ongoing natural form of environmental trauma of exactly what offers us our give and take balance that all of Earths biodiversity needs in order to survive and evolve, that which hasnt changed significantly for the worse unless youd care to go way back before the last ice-age this planet w/moon is ever going to see. So, in 300 some odd years, what else besides a global deficiency of hydrocarbons and perhaps at least 3 meters of greater ocean level is taking the bulk of us to hell in a hand-basket? ~ BG
From: Brian Wraith on 17 May 2010 09:05 On 5/17/2010 5:52 AM, Brad Guth wrote: > You sound off like a BP supporter. Right now that's not a good > position for anyone. Do you injure your ears when you blow this hard? Mr. Guth, I was attempting to participate in the conversation from a technical perspective because you were making a fool of yourself by suggesting the solution to the blowout in the Gulf was the use of massive nuclear explosions. As the Gulf situation is so upsetting for you, instead of sitting at your keyboard, bitching and spewing absurd solutions, why don't you buy a few thousand Sham-wow towels, head to the Gulf and become part of the solution? Everyone can read the news about the spill and we can draw our own conclusions.
From: Brad Guth on 17 May 2010 14:29
On May 17, 6:05 am, Brian Wraith <brianwra...(a)newzealand.invalid> wrote: > On 5/17/2010 5:52 AM, Brad Guth wrote: > > > You sound off like a BP supporter. Right now that's not a good > > position for anyone. > > Do you injure your ears when you blow this hard? Obviously you and others of your kind think this whole thing is as funny as 9/11. Unfortunately, each being easily preventable means even less to those of your kind. > > Mr. Guth, I was attempting to participate in the conversation from a > technical perspective because you were making a fool of yourself by > suggesting the solution to the blowout in the Gulf was the use of > massive nuclear explosions. Learning of those BP anti-submarine oily plumes of <60e9 barrels, sort of rules out any kind of explosive applications. However, if BP continues to fail us and push comes to shove, those nuclear bunker- buster bombs or at least nuclear warhead torpedoes should do the trick. > > As the Gulf situation is so upsetting for you, instead of sitting at > your keyboard, bitching and spewing absurd solutions, why don't you buy > a few thousand Sham-wow towels, head to the Gulf and become part of the > solution? > > Everyone can read the news about the spill and we can draw our own > conclusions. That's exactly what I have done, except unlike those of your passive mainstream status quo of looking the other way (especially whenever there's your own investment at risk), and suggesting that nothing of BP or government is directly responsible, whereas at least I can deductively think, ponder and interpret those +/- consequences for myself. The entire past, present and future board of BP directors needs to be held personally accountable, as well as those in charge of our government agencies that were obviously not doing their jobs according to policy. If that also means BP gets liquidated to the highest bidder, then so be it. ~ BG |