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From: Brian Wraith on 17 May 2010 14:35
On 5/17/2010 11:29 AM, Brad Guth wrote:
> On May 17, 6:05 am, Brian Wraith<brianwra...(a)newzealand.invalid>
> wrote:
>> On 5/17/2010 5:52 AM, Brad Guth wrote:
>>
>>> You sound off like a BP supporter. Right now that's not a good
>>> position for anyone.
>>
>> Do you injure your ears when you blow this hard?
> Obviously you and others of your kind think this whole thing is as
> funny as 9/11. Unfortunately, each being easily preventable means
> even less to those of your kind.
>
>>
>> Mr. Guth, I was attempting to participate in the conversation from a
>> technical perspective because you were making a fool of yourself by
>> suggesting the solution to the blowout in the Gulf was the use of
>> massive nuclear explosions.
> Learning of those BP anti-submarine oily plumes of<60e9 barrels, sort
> of rules out any kind of explosive applications. However, if BP
> continues to fail us and push comes to shove, those nuclear bunker-
> buster bombs or at least nuclear warhead torpedoes should do the
> trick.
>
>>
>> As the Gulf situation is so upsetting for you, instead of sitting at
>> your keyboard, bitching and spewing absurd solutions, why don't you buy
>> a few thousand Sham-wow towels, head to the Gulf and become part of the
>> solution?
>>
>> Everyone can read the news about the spill and we can draw our own
>> conclusions.
>
> That's exactly what I have done, except unlike those of your passive
> mainstream status quo of looking the other way (especially whenever
> there's your own investment at risk), and suggesting that nothing of
> BP or government is directly responsible, whereas at least I can
> deductively think, ponder and interpret those +/- consequences for
> myself.
>
> The entire past, present and future board of BP directors needs to be
> held personally accountable, as well as those in charge of our
> government agencies that were obviously not doing their jobs according
> to policy. If that also means BP gets liquidated to the highest
> bidder, then so be it.
>
> ~ BG

Bored now, c ya.
From: Brad Guth on 17 May 2010 16:02
On May 16, 5:50 am, HVAC <mr.h...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/energy/oilandgas/7726...
>
> And you all thought *I* was crazy......

Perhaps whatever’s traumatizing Jupiter and then excessive boob
exposure is what caused BP’s blowout. Might as well give it a faith-
based shot in the dark, because most everyone else is so busy hiding
their loot and pointing fingers everywhere except into that nasty hole
in our lithosphere.

Here's that crazy BP news update we can all use:
Anti-submarine plumes equal to1.6e9<2.4e9 barrels/day ???

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/17/us/17spill.html
“The announcement by BP came on the heels of reports that the spill
might be much worse than estimated. Scientists said they had found
giant plumes of oil in the deep waters of the gulf, including one as
large as 10 miles long, 3 miles wide and 300 feet thick.”

However, with underwater plumes suggesting <60e9 barrels of BP’s oily
sulfur might put yet another complex issue of environmental recovery
at risk, of only being made worse if explosive efforts are used to
pinch off that well. It seems most of that reddish-brown acidic muck
is somewhat heavier than water, so that doing anything before sucking
the bulk of it out of the ocean seems foolish. That kind of thick
oily plume could even kill our best nuclear subs.

Now it’s getting updated as a 10 by 4 mile and 300+ foot thick primary
plume of muck that’s growing, as well as there being other smaller
plumes plus whatever’s on the surface, of that same oily sulfur that’s
only slightly neutral or mostly heavier than seawater, making the Gulf
of Mexico unfit for even nuclear subs that could ingest such muck into
their reactor cooling systems. So, BP has officially compromised our
national defense better than any Al Qaeda /Taliban, whereas if you or
I did 10% of that much impact, as such we’d be instantly imprisoned on
Patriot Act charges of treason, if not high treason.

Talk about creating an ocean dead zone, whereas the entire Gulf of
Mexico could become the world's largest, and staying that way for
years if not decades to come. Way to go BP.

That one large submerged cloud or plume of heavy sour crude (oily
sulphur) is only worth upwards of at least 40e9 barrels thus far, and
given 25 days worth of spillage is an average of only 1.6e9 barrels/
day (not including those volumes of raw natural gasses). So, more
than likely if adding all those underwater plums and what’s on the
surface is perhaps worth something near 2.4e9 barrels/day that needs
to get cleaned up, asap. You know, it’s almost as though not one soul
in BP knows hardly a damn thing about their own business, other than
how to drill deep holes in Earth without a viable plan-B when their
one and only failsafe was know to be dysfunctional, as well as
continually lie their oily butts off and smile at the same time. Even
if it were only a forth that amount is still a volume of 600 million
barrels per day of contaminated ocean and a likely biodiversity trauma
that’s getting past the point of no return. This seems entirely
unrealistic that near 7000 barrels per second has taken place from
that 21 inch diameter wellhead pipe, whereas it’s almost as though an
extended period of leakage had actually been ongoing for months prior
to the final blowout.

Perhaps if we force all BP executives, subcontractors and their crews
plus each of their extended families to stay onboard their fleet of
support ships outfitted with very long straws, and required of those
folks to suck their guts out until every last barrel of that muck is
recovered, as such might get the message across. Otherwise they’ll
owe us big-time for years to come.

There has always been natural lithosphere oil and gas leakage (such as
heavy oil/tar sands that used to be safely capped just below a
relatively fertile layer of topsoil, though not actually per se
leaking any substantial amount of hydrocarbons, much less into frail
aquatic environments until it was being excavated and processed),
taking place at perhaps no greater than 0.1% of what BP and other
hydrocarbon extractors, transporters and processors combined manage to
leak, spill, burn off or directly consume and subsequently pollute on
site. If we include those raw natural gas volumes, it’s more like
mother nature has been venting at most .01% (1/10000) as much as we
accomplish artificially via drilling platforms, wellhead leakage, mine
ventings and of course those bulk volumes of consumption that converts
most of it into CO2, NOx plus contributing a number of other rather
nasty toxic elements that have no business escaping because, as far as
we know there’s no global environmental or biodiversity impact that
isn’t purely negative.

Once we’ve extracted and vented a few trillion tonnes worth of our non-
renewable hydrocarbons, and towards the foreseeable end of our global
reserves (conceivably 300 some odd years from now) by then consuming
90% in order to extract and deliver 10%, whereas it’s not going to be
easy for anyone below the upper middle caste to survive without
involving wars and various other forms of energy related treachery and
debauchery, unless renewable forms of clean energy and use of thorium
becomes wide spread and well developed. The lower 90% caste of Earth
will just have to fight among themselves because, it’ll be impossible
for those without to fight other than to their deaths against those of
us having the most strategic energy reserves and the most at risk
that’s well defended.

Of course for the moment there’s always a dozen or more active
volcanoes that we know of, plus hundreds if not thousands of
significant geothermal vents contributing (mostly water vapor plus
sulphur, sodium and a number of less appreciated gasses and nasty
elements) as transferred into our surface and atmospheric environment,
but that’s an ongoing natural form of environmental trauma of exactly
what offers us our give and take balance that all of Earth’s
biodiversity needs in order to survive and evolve, that which hasn’t
changed significantly for the worse unless you’d care to go way back
before the last ice-age this planet w/moon is ever going to see.

So, in 300 some odd years, what else besides a global deficiency of
hydrocarbons and perhaps at least 3 meters of greater ocean level is
taking the bulk of us to hell in a hand-basket?

For the moment there’s a new round of global hydrocarbon energy
inflation taking place, as well as a concerted USD devaluation to
boot, similar to 9/11. If BP and their greed based partners in crimes
against humanity isn’t held 100% liable, then perhaps no other
private, corporate or governmental forms of loot hording debauchery or
gross incompetence should be. Perhaps we should reconsider letting
OBL off the hook, because like BP, they were only doing what they had
to do.

Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”
From: Bast on 18 May 2010 15:43


His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of Quixotic
Enterprises wrote:
> On May 16, 12:47 pm, "Hagar" <hagen(a)sahm,name> wrote:
>> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of
>> QuixoticEnterprises" <nolionnoprob...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:fff021d5-097a-4f8c-9de5-49ead4df9616(a)r9g2000vbk.googlegroups.com...
>> On May 16, 12:26 pm, "HVAC" <mr.h...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> "His Highness the TibetanMonkey, ComandanteBanana and Chief of
>>> QuixoticEnterprises" <nolionnoprob...(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
>>> news:e6c08a4a-00a3-4af4-bbba-13bfc590660d(a)v37g2000vbv.googlegroups.com...
>>> This oil spill sounds like the worst sticky black blot in the dark
>>> history of the human race...
>>
>>> Get a grip dude.
>>
>>> I'm sure in the past many oil spills have occurred naturally.
>>
>>> http://www.livescience.com/environment/090520-natural-oil-seeps.html
>>
>> I heard of volcanoes erupting naturally, but not oil bursting out of
>> the place where they have been lying for 300 million years.
>>
>> ***********************************
>> Ever hear of the La Brea Tar Pits ???
>> What do you think that ooze is made of ....
>
> Are you joking? La Breat Pits is a drop in a bucket compared to a big
> international worldwide event like this.
>
> This is a big fuckup for humanity.


Quit blaming humanity for something that corporate big-wigs, and dumb-assed
politicians do.


From: Benj on 18 May 2010 17:45
On May 16, 12:29 pm, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

> The questions remain how much a radiactive pollutes ocean would contribute
> to the tourist industry in Florida.
> For the next thousand years.

Well, yeah. But then on the other hand, it could be worse. Say the
bomb just creates a large fault in the ocean floor and the ENTIRE
reserve spews out at once! But hey, it's worth a try. Everything
always turns out OK in the movies!





From: Brad Guth on 18 May 2010 18:11
On May 17, 11:35 am, Brian Wraith <brianwra...(a)newzealand.invalid>
wrote:
> On 5/17/2010 11:29 AM, Brad Guth wrote:
>
>
>
> > On May 17, 6:05 am, Brian Wraith<brianwra...(a)newzealand.invalid>
> > wrote:
> >> On 5/17/2010 5:52 AM, Brad Guth wrote:
>
> >>> You sound off like a BP supporter.  Right now that's not a good
> >>> position for anyone.
>
> >> Do you injure your ears when you blow this hard?
> > Obviously you and others of your kind think this whole thing is as
> > funny as 9/11.  Unfortunately, each being easily preventable means
> > even less to those of your kind.
>
> >> Mr. Guth, I was attempting to participate in the conversation from a
> >> technical perspective because you were making a fool of yourself by
> >> suggesting the solution to the blowout in the Gulf was the use of
> >> massive nuclear explosions.
> > Learning of those BP anti-submarine oily plumes of<60e9 barrels, sort
> > of rules out any kind of explosive applications.  However, if BP
> > continues to fail us and push comes to shove, those nuclear bunker-
> > buster bombs or at least nuclear warhead torpedoes should do the
> > trick.
>
> >> As the Gulf situation is so upsetting for you, instead of sitting at
> >> your keyboard, bitching and spewing absurd solutions, why don't you buy
> >> a few thousand Sham-wow towels, head to the Gulf and become part of the
> >> solution?
>
> >> Everyone can read the news about the spill and we can draw our own
> >> conclusions.
>
> > That's exactly what I have done, except unlike those of your passive
> > mainstream status quo of looking the other way (especially whenever
> > there's your own investment at risk), and suggesting that nothing of
> > BP or government is directly responsible, whereas at least I can
> > deductively think, ponder and interpret those +/- consequences for
> > myself.
>
> > The entire past, present and future board of BP directors needs to be
> > held personally accountable, as well as those in charge of our
> > government agencies that were obviously not doing their jobs according
> > to policy.  If that also means BP gets liquidated to the highest
> > bidder, then so be it.
>
> >   ~ BG
>
> Bored now, c ya.

How would you plan on extracting that 60e9 barrels worth of oily
sulfur plumes, plus trails within that Gulf/Atlantic thermal loop
that'll trek and pollute for thousands of miles?

Yet another 10% increase in the global end-use of hydrocarbon energy
is going to cost us how many trillion/year extra? (would you care to
speculate as to an extra $2 trillion, because that's relatively
conservative)

Why don't you and I run those all-inclusive numbers, just to see how
much extra those Rothschild types get to stuff their hydrocarbon
derived loot into those bloated and tax avoidance offshore bank/
investment accounts. Actually, our William Mook is really good at
such global energy and global wealth related accounting, although a
few Google searches will likely be sufficient for at least nailing a
ballpark figure. Supposedly as of 2011, there's 5e20 Joules worth of
hydrocarbon energy consumed and/or converted into whatever per year,
not including the energy taken to get such hydrocarbons extracted,
transported, processed and to the end-use distribution market, nor
accounting for those amounts of hydrocarbons simply vented, spilled or
burned off.

At best we convert roughly 50% (though usually it’s only <40%) of
those raw joules into the sorts of viable on-demand work that we
naturally get to pay for (including those usual compounded mark-ups,
taxes and service fees that are never forgiving). By now our global
oil consumption alone is worth 32e9 barrels/year, and that’s
representing perhaps only 34% of our energy needs, because cheaper
natural gas, coal, nuclear, hydroelectric (plus wind and solar <2%)
pretty much covers the rest.

I’m sure it’s more complicated than all that, but at least it’s a step
of understanding in the right direction.

Brad Guth, Brad_Guth, Brad.Guth, BradGuth, BG / “Guth Usenet”
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