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From: Phillip Jones on 13 May 2010 00:08 dorayme wrote: > In article<hsfcr5$7k9$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, > Scott Bryce<sbryce(a)scottbryce.com> wrote: > >> dorayme wrote: >>> Well, I have forgotten the context of this remark of mine. I was just >>> saying, if I recall, that there are other valid and realistic reasons >>> other than printing for the occasional or limited use of PDFs on >>> website. >> >> >> And even though I stated as a rule that PDFs should only be used when >> the content is intended to be printed, I have no problem with occasional >> exceptions if a competent developer has good reasons for making them. > > Fine. I think it is often the case that developers stick in PDFs > precisely because they do not have to make them. They just shove > them on the server and provide a link, job done! If they are > ridiculous in size and not meant for printing, it is almost no > work to export them to lower res the pictures. > When I use PDF's I try to optimize then so they are least size possible. as for graphics, if your going to use on website they need to be no better than 72 dpi. I usually use 150 dpi just to make sure the images look good. between that , removing multiple copies of the same Fonts and using the latest format of PDF I can dramatically reduce the size of PDF's. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. "If it's Fixed, Don't Break it" http://www.phillipmjones.net mailto:pjones1(a)kimbanet.com
From: dorayme on 13 May 2010 03:31 In article <hsfu08$2cu$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, Phillip Jones <pjones1(a)kimbanet.com> wrote: > dorayme wrote: > > In article<hsfcr5$7k9$1(a)news.eternal-september.org>, > > Scott Bryce<sbryce(a)scottbryce.com> wrote: > > > >> dorayme wrote: > >>> Well, I have forgotten the context of this remark of mine. I was just > >>> saying, if I recall, that there are other valid and realistic reasons > >>> other than printing for the occasional or limited use of PDFs on > >>> website. > >> > >> > >> And even though I stated as a rule that PDFs should only be used when > >> the content is intended to be printed, I have no problem with occasional > >> exceptions if a competent developer has good reasons for making them. > > > > Fine. I think it is often the case that developers stick in PDFs > > precisely because they do not have to make them. They just shove > > them on the server and provide a link, job done! If they are > > ridiculous in size and not meant for printing, it is almost no > > work to export them to lower res the pictures. > > > When I use PDF's I try to optimize then so they are least size possible. > as for graphics, if your going to use on website they need to be no > better than 72 dpi. I usually use 150 dpi just to make sure the images > look good. between that , removing multiple copies of the same Fonts and > using the latest format of PDF I can dramatically reduce the size of PDF's. That is all very sensible. And I do similar if I am more involved than I generally want to be with PDFs on websites. Perhaps it is a bit mean of me but if a client does not want to have something done properly in HTML, then I am a bit inclined to simply stick whatever they send as is, the slow load or or other disadvantages on their heads. I don't a run a service to do anything a client wants: like optimise every bad practice. Perhaps I would if I was starting out and was a bit desperate! -- dorayme
From: Warren Oates on 13 May 2010 07:16 In article <dorayme-819ABB.08233713052010(a)news.albasani.net>, dorayme <dorayme(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > Well, I have forgotten the context of this remark of mine. I was > just saying, if I recall, that there are other valid and > realistic reasons other than printing for the occasional or > limited use of PDFs on website. The problem is that not everyone has them (PDF files) set to display in-the-browser. I don't f'rinstance. I download them. We used jpegs/gifs for difficult layout for a while, until CSS got useful. I just recently converted the last of them to HTML. They look identical, pixel-perfect, but now I can make quick changes quicker. -- Very old woody beets will never cook tender. -- Fannie Farmer
From: dorayme on 13 May 2010 07:43 In article <4bebdf88$0$12478$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, Warren Oates <warren.oates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > In article <dorayme-819ABB.08233713052010(a)news.albasani.net>, > dorayme <dorayme(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: > > > Well, I have forgotten the context of this remark of mine. I was > > just saying, if I recall, that there are other valid and > > realistic reasons other than printing for the occasional or > > limited use of PDFs on website. > > The problem is that not everyone has them (PDF files) set to display > in-the-browser. I don't f'rinstance. I download them. Oh yes, there are certainly problems, this being one of them. Added all together is why it is not the ideal thing to do. But when time and money are scarce... PDFs are quite well supported and well known... -- dorayme
From: Phillip Jones on 13 May 2010 10:41
dorayme wrote: > In article<4bebdf88$0$12478$c3e8da3(a)news.astraweb.com>, > Warren Oates<warren.oates(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> In article<dorayme-819ABB.08233713052010(a)news.albasani.net>, >> dorayme<dorayme(a)optusnet.com.au> wrote: >> >>> Well, I have forgotten the context of this remark of mine. I was >>> just saying, if I recall, that there are other valid and >>> realistic reasons other than printing for the occasional or >>> limited use of PDFs on website. >> >> The problem is that not everyone has them (PDF files) set to display >> in-the-browser. I don't f'rinstance. I download them. > > Oh yes, there are certainly problems, this being one of them. > Added all together is why it is not the ideal thing to do. But > when time and money are scarce... PDFs are quite well supported > and well known... > The majority of my site is html, though one person (here)doesn't like the design because I make extensive use of tables to keep everything neat and organized. I use to use Html exclusively without the use of tables, when I was keeping a website for a Electronics Association belonged to. and they complained because it was hard to read. After I started using tables to setup the site, I got compliments and noted that the site was much easier to read. I make use of PDF's for family trees because there is no simple way to recreate such, using plain text. And I have a recipes section that is almost exclusively set up to be printed on 4 by 6 index cards which and again would be difficult if not impossible to set up using Plain text. or have a unique Background. I myself don't care for all the flashy new tweaks in html and style sheets and stuff because it didn't improve my reading experience. When you flip from one page to the other every thing looks so exactly the same. To me everything should be different in some way, so that you don't get bored and over look what you are looking for. But that's me. -- Phillip M. Jones, C.E.T. "If it's Fixed, Don't Break it" http://www.phillipmjones.net mailto:pjones1(a)kimbanet.com |