OpenSuSE 11.1 install problem !
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From: Baron on 27 Sep 2009 11:16 Taki wrote: > Baron wrote: >> Hi Guys, >> >> I have just wiped OpenSuse 10.3 and installed 11.1 on my spare >> machine. >> But I have a problem with it. At the end of the install when you get >> to login for the first time, all I get is a "Login" prompt. > [...] >> Machine is a "Via chipset" with and AMD Athlon 64-4000, 1GB ram, on >> board video etc. > [...] > > The most likely culprit is the Via on-board Unichrome chip set and the > new and improved X System. Yes it is the "Unichrome" chip. > I've had a very similar problem. Up to openSUSE 10.3, the X System > gave me no problem. You skipped 11.0. With this version, X started but > its configuration was wrong: streaks, etc. I copied the old xorg.conf > (maybe I re-installed 10.3 and saved its xorg.conf on my /home/taki/ > (partition/directory). > > With 11.1, I got the exactly the same symptom like yours. By this > time, I have copied the old xorg.conf on USB sticks as well as on > /home/taki/. I may be missing some latest and greatest improvements of > the X, but I don't care. I log in as 'root': > #cp /home/taki/xorg.conf /etc/X11/xorg.conf > overwriting the newly-installed xorg.conf. Good idea ! I will do that since I can re-install 10.3 and grab a copy of the "xorg.conf" it produces. > Try copying the 10.3 xorg.conf to /etc/X11. (You can rename the > freshly-minted xorg.conf or save it elsewhere to study.) Or using sax2 > manually, giving options for 'VESA' may work. I have no idea how to > do this. I'll try this and report back. I did think that it might be a memory issue but "memtest" after running for 20+ hours doesn't report any failures, ruling memory out. > --- > I think that some people have been working on the driver for the > S3/Via chip set and that the installer detects the Via chip set, with > an unfortunate result. On my machine, xorg-x11-driver-video-unichrome > is installed. I'll have to check that. -- Best Regards: Baron.
From: Happy Oyster on 27 Sep 2009 11:20 On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 10:42:18 +0000 (UTC), J G Miller <miller(a)yoyo.ORG> wrote: >On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:50:45 +0200, DenverD wrote: > >> because commanding startx as root is the same as logging into X as >> root > >By the way, under which user do you think the X server (not the login >session runs)? > >> something that should never be done, ever! > >Just because something is not a good idea security wise, does not mean >that it should never be done. Why else did SuSe have a specaial >red bombshell wallpaper if it was not intended that root should never login >under X, ever? And they messed it up by letting the read backgroudn disappear. In former versions it was not possible to get it back. Very, very funny... >It would be better to say that root should never login under X, except >for exceptionally special circumstances. Exactly. -- TINA LIVE ! TINA LIVE ! TINA LIVE ! TINA LIVE ! TINA LIVE ! TINA LIVE ! http://www.leipziger-montagsdemo.de/informationen/daten/daten_02_spd/TINA-There_Is_No_Alternative_I.jpg http://www.leipziger-montagsdemo.de/informationen/daten/daten_02_spd/TINA-There_Is_No_Alternative_II.jpg
From: J G Miller on 27 Sep 2009 12:06 On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:40:31 +0200, houghi wrote: > But anyway, I would like to know what you think is a "exceptionally > special circumstance" where you would run as root A possible circumstance could be root needs to run an X11 program for some reason (administration task) and /home is not available because the file system on it is bad, so normal users are unable to login. , because I have never > seen it in all the years. I THOUGHT I needed it once, but that was > because I THOUGHT I knew what I was doing. Now I know that I was wrong > then. > > houghi
From: Baron on 27 Sep 2009 12:08 David Bolt wrote: > On Saturday 26 Sep 2009 21:25, Baron played with alphabet spaghetti > and left this residue on the plate: > > <snip> > >> I tried that and I get "Failed to start X server" > > What's the error? That was the error message after typing "startx". >> What really annoys me is that I can install 10.3 and it all works as >> expected. I even tried updating from a clean 10.3 install and end up >> the same ! > > Did the install work using a GUI? Yes it works exactly as it should. Graphical login screen, KDE and/or Gnome. > If so, what happens when you copy > /etc/X11/xorg.conf.install over the top of /etc/X11/xorg.conf and then > try startx ? Does it start? Does it error? What's the error(s) you're > seeing? > > > Regards, > David Bolt > Thats my next step. What really rattled me was that there were no (alt+ctrl+Fx) screens ! Just the black screen with white writing and a login prompt at the bottom. Doing the (alt+ctrl+Fx) the screen never changed. All I could do was login. I didn't try as user. I typed root and put the password in. The prompt changed. Typing "startx" got the response "Failed to start X server" Typing "SaX2" got :- No X server running. Sax will start its own server. Then "Unable to start X server" returning to the prompt. At this point the keyboard no longer works and you can only press the on/off switch which gets a message saying that the "machine is going down for a reboot". We then started all over again. Since then I wondered if there might be a memory problem and left "memtest" running overnight. It hasn't found any problems, so I can rule out memory. I'll try the suggestions made and report back. Thanks to all. -- Best Regards: Baron.
From: DenverD on 27 Sep 2009 12:18
> A possible circumstance could be root needs to run an X11 program for some > reason (administration task) and /home is not available because the file > system on it is bad, so normal users are unable to login. describe the circumstance in which an administrator _must_ run _which_ X11 program because there is _no way_ to perform the same administrative task on a non-X running machine! then we will talk.. -- DenverD (Linux Counter 282315) via Thunderbird 3.0.1-1.1, KDE 3.5.7, openSUSE Linux 10.3, 2.6.22.19-0.4-default #1 SMP i686 athlon |