Oracle changed the Solaris license terms?
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From: Richard B. Gilbert on 20 Mar 2010 20:27 Canuck57 wrote: > On 20/03/2010 4:35 PM, Michael Laajanen wrote: >> Hi, >> Ian Collins wrote: >>> On 03/21/10 10:25 AM, Chris Ridd wrote: >>>> On 2010-03-20 20:28:12 +0000, Ian Collins said: >>>> >>>>> On 03/21/10 09:18 AM, Non scrivetemi wrote: >>>>>> Hi, >>>>>> >>>>>> Is Solaris now only a 30 day trial and after that you have to pay? Or >>>>>> can >>>>>> you still download and use Solaris on x86 for free? >>>>>> >>>>> Um, the licensing information (from >>>>> http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/get.jsp) now says: >>>>> >>>>> "Please remember, your right to use Solaris acquired as a download is >>>>> limited to a trial of 90 days, unless you acquire a service contract >>>>> for the downloaded Software." >>>>> >>>>> Does anyone have a copy of what it used to say? >>>> >>>> The wayback machine (running on Solaris or OpenSolaris IIRC) shows the >>>> page in 2008 >>>> <http://web.archive.org/web/20080614035850/http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/popup.jsp?info=17>. >>>> >>>> >>>> It just says you must have an entitlement doc. >>> >>> So the last sentence I quoted has been tacked on the end. Sneaky. >>> >> Well, not everything can be free on the world, Sun did not perform well >> and something at Sun must change in order to make money doesn't it? >> >> I have always seen Solaris in as RedHat and OpenSolaris as Fedora. >> >> Organisations should pay for the license, personal use of a Enterprise >> SW should be free IMHO. >> >> /Michael >> > > Couldn't agree more. While an organization should pay reasonable for a > technology, it is cost prohibitive for many of us to pay retail to run > this stuff. And by running it say at home, learning it, making skills > available to businesses to use it... there is the value. As businesses > are not going to shell out for technologoes that need full time @ > $250/hr++ from Sun/Oracle. Might be ok to start for some with deep > pockets, but not for most. > > Oracle has been successful squeezing the $$$ out of clients, but at some > point their model will be deemed over priced. > $250/hr?????? I'll work cheaper than that! Not much cheaper, just enough to remain completive! ;-)
From: Ian Collins on 20 Mar 2010 22:20 On 03/21/10 12:46 PM, Canuck57 wrote: > On 20/03/2010 3:55 PM, Ian Collins wrote: >> On 03/21/10 09:54 AM, Canuck57 wrote: >>> On 20/03/2010 2:18 PM, Non scrivetemi wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> >>>> Is Solaris now only a 30 day trial and after that you have to pay? Or >>>> can >>>> you still download and use Solaris on x86 for free? >>> >>> OpenSolaris, I am sure it hasn't made any headway into businesses or I >>> would see it. It too is going to wither as a hobbiest excercise as there >>> is no impelling reason to use it over a Linux distro. >> >> I guess the main organisation I work with is the counter example. We are >> consolidating legacy Linux boxes with zones on OpenSolaris hosts. >> >> For us, the compelling reasons are storage management, zones and CIFS. > > CIFS? I haven't seen a Linux distro that could not do it. Storage > management, logical volume manager works quite well. Lots of VM options > too. Zones != VMs. Try running a couple of dozen VMs on a modest box that can support may zones. > But to each their own, but you are the first I have hear in doing this > in a business production environment. Last I checked, I couldn't get > drivers for 1/2 my stuff. We use Sun boxes... Every system I have at home (AMD and Intel) works out of the box with OpenSolaris. -- Ian Collins
From: Canuck57 on 20 Mar 2010 22:30 On 20/03/2010 6:27 PM, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > Canuck57 wrote: >> On 20/03/2010 4:35 PM, Michael Laajanen wrote: >>> Hi, >>> Ian Collins wrote: >>>> On 03/21/10 10:25 AM, Chris Ridd wrote: >>>>> On 2010-03-20 20:28:12 +0000, Ian Collins said: >>>>> >>>>>> On 03/21/10 09:18 AM, Non scrivetemi wrote: >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is Solaris now only a 30 day trial and after that you have to >>>>>>> pay? Or >>>>>>> can >>>>>>> you still download and use Solaris on x86 for free? >>>>>>> >>>>>> Um, the licensing information (from >>>>>> http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/get.jsp) now says: >>>>>> >>>>>> "Please remember, your right to use Solaris acquired as a download is >>>>>> limited to a trial of 90 days, unless you acquire a service contract >>>>>> for the downloaded Software." >>>>>> >>>>>> Does anyone have a copy of what it used to say? >>>>> >>>>> The wayback machine (running on Solaris or OpenSolaris IIRC) shows the >>>>> page in 2008 >>>>> <http://web.archive.org/web/20080614035850/http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/popup.jsp?info=17>. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> It just says you must have an entitlement doc. >>>> >>>> So the last sentence I quoted has been tacked on the end. Sneaky. >>>> >>> Well, not everything can be free on the world, Sun did not perform well >>> and something at Sun must change in order to make money doesn't it? >>> >>> I have always seen Solaris in as RedHat and OpenSolaris as Fedora. >>> >>> Organisations should pay for the license, personal use of a Enterprise >>> SW should be free IMHO. >>> >>> /Michael >>> >> >> Couldn't agree more. While an organization should pay reasonable for a >> technology, it is cost prohibitive for many of us to pay retail to run >> this stuff. And by running it say at home, learning it, making skills >> available to businesses to use it... there is the value. As businesses >> are not going to shell out for technologoes that need full time @ >> $250/hr++ from Sun/Oracle. Might be ok to start for some with deep >> pockets, but not for most. >> >> Oracle has been successful squeezing the $$$ out of clients, but at >> some point their model will be deemed over priced. >> > $250/hr?????? > > I'll work cheaper than that! Not much cheaper, just enough to remain > completive! ;-) An exaggeration not, it isn't unusual for a technology company to want $10K per week, $250/hr to get someone in that knows more than BS and from the sourcing company. Oh, you can get a 3rd party for perhaps $80 but 80% the time they are just chair mushrooms with good talk but no walk. That does not mean the person gets $250, the company they work for gets that. Mind you, you can often squeeze them down if done up front as part of the larger sale. But that is not my point. My point being is if there are not people skills locally, often a technology would be passed over just for that reason alone.
From: Richard B. Gilbert on 20 Mar 2010 22:59 Canuck57 wrote: > On 20/03/2010 6:27 PM, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >> Canuck57 wrote: >>> On 20/03/2010 4:35 PM, Michael Laajanen wrote: >>>> Hi, >>>> Ian Collins wrote: >>>>> On 03/21/10 10:25 AM, Chris Ridd wrote: >>>>>> On 2010-03-20 20:28:12 +0000, Ian Collins said: >>>>>> >>>>>>> On 03/21/10 09:18 AM, Non scrivetemi wrote: >>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is Solaris now only a 30 day trial and after that you have to >>>>>>>> pay? Or >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> you still download and use Solaris on x86 for free? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> Um, the licensing information (from >>>>>>> http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/get.jsp) now says: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> "Please remember, your right to use Solaris acquired as a >>>>>>> download is >>>>>>> limited to a trial of 90 days, unless you acquire a service contract >>>>>>> for the downloaded Software." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does anyone have a copy of what it used to say? >>>>>> >>>>>> The wayback machine (running on Solaris or OpenSolaris IIRC) shows >>>>>> the >>>>>> page in 2008 >>>>>> <http://web.archive.org/web/20080614035850/http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/popup.jsp?info=17>. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> It just says you must have an entitlement doc. >>>>> >>>>> So the last sentence I quoted has been tacked on the end. Sneaky. >>>>> >>>> Well, not everything can be free on the world, Sun did not perform well >>>> and something at Sun must change in order to make money doesn't it? >>>> >>>> I have always seen Solaris in as RedHat and OpenSolaris as Fedora. >>>> >>>> Organisations should pay for the license, personal use of a Enterprise >>>> SW should be free IMHO. >>>> >>>> /Michael >>>> >>> >>> Couldn't agree more. While an organization should pay reasonable for a >>> technology, it is cost prohibitive for many of us to pay retail to run >>> this stuff. And by running it say at home, learning it, making skills >>> available to businesses to use it... there is the value. As businesses >>> are not going to shell out for technologoes that need full time @ >>> $250/hr++ from Sun/Oracle. Might be ok to start for some with deep >>> pockets, but not for most. >>> >>> Oracle has been successful squeezing the $$$ out of clients, but at >>> some point their model will be deemed over priced. >>> >> $250/hr?????? >> >> I'll work cheaper than that! Not much cheaper, just enough to remain >> completive! ;-) > > An exaggeration not, it isn't unusual for a technology company to want > $10K per week, $250/hr to get someone in that knows more than BS and > from the sourcing company. Oh, you can get a 3rd party for perhaps $80 > but 80% the time they are just chair mushrooms with good talk but no > walk. That does not mean the person gets $250, the company they work > for gets that. > > Mind you, you can often squeeze them down if done up front as part of > the larger sale. But that is not my point. My point being is if there > are not people skills locally, often a technology would be passed over > just for that reason alone. > It can be very difficult to use technology in which you have no training or experience! Frequently, somebody has to be sent to school for a week or two or three to learn how to install and make use of the latest technology. Been to school, done that! Sometimes the new technology is worth what it costs. And sometimes not!!
From: Canuck57 on 20 Mar 2010 23:09
On 20/03/2010 8:20 PM, Ian Collins wrote: > On 03/21/10 12:46 PM, Canuck57 wrote: >> On 20/03/2010 3:55 PM, Ian Collins wrote: >>> On 03/21/10 09:54 AM, Canuck57 wrote: >>>> On 20/03/2010 2:18 PM, Non scrivetemi wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> >>>>> Is Solaris now only a 30 day trial and after that you have to pay? Or >>>>> can >>>>> you still download and use Solaris on x86 for free? >>>> >>>> OpenSolaris, I am sure it hasn't made any headway into businesses or I >>>> would see it. It too is going to wither as a hobbiest excercise as >>>> there >>>> is no impelling reason to use it over a Linux distro. >>> >>> I guess the main organisation I work with is the counter example. We are >>> consolidating legacy Linux boxes with zones on OpenSolaris hosts. >>> >>> For us, the compelling reasons are storage management, zones and CIFS. >> >> CIFS? I haven't seen a Linux distro that could not do it. Storage >> management, logical volume manager works quite well. Lots of VM options >> too. > > Zones != VMs. Try running a couple of dozen VMs on a modest box that can > support may zones. Agreed, zones is just chroot on steroids. Ok, maybe a little more but basically is an extention of chroot. Not a bad implimentation either. But I prefer the VM approach after having used both. For example, a zone setup with sparse zones, now you want to patch 10 running zones and get all the support to agree on one date, you have to do them all at once. Or if you whole root them from the start, you loose the benefits of sparse and might as well be a VM and scheduling patches etc is easier. Plus VMs can run other OSes, ESX for example, Linux, W2008, W2003, Solaris on the same boxen. >> But to each their own, but you are the first I have hear in doing this >> in a business production environment. Last I checked, I couldn't get >> drivers for 1/2 my stuff. > > We use Sun boxes... > > Every system I have at home (AMD and Intel) works out of the box with > OpenSolaris. Downloads should increase on OpenSlaris provided Oracle does not squish the project. Might even try OpenSolaris it once I here they get ICH[7/8/9/10]R drivers in SATA RAID mode. Is that still an issue? Because last I checked it was a huge issue and major cause for people going to other OSes. IF you had a BIOS switch to IDE mode emulation you could run it, and many if not all newer systems don't have that option. Go by your average Acer or HP quad proc from best Buy (AMD or Intel), and neither Solaris runs. OS2 was a great OS too, but lack of drivers for very common and popular hardware killed it. |