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From: Ian Collins on 20 Mar 2010 23:24 On 03/21/10 04:09 PM, Canuck57 wrote: > On 20/03/2010 8:20 PM, Ian Collins wrote: >> >> Every system I have at home (AMD and Intel) works out of the box with >> OpenSolaris. > > Downloads should increase on OpenSlaris provided Oracle does not squish > the project. > > Might even try OpenSolaris it once I here they get ICH[7/8/9/10]R > drivers in SATA RAID mode. Is that still an issue? Not on the Asus P6T I use. I don't think there is any need for RAID mode on Solaris systems. -- Ian Collins
From: Canuck57 on 20 Mar 2010 23:45 On 20/03/2010 8:59 PM, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: > Canuck57 wrote: >> On 20/03/2010 6:27 PM, Richard B. Gilbert wrote: >>> Canuck57 wrote: >>>> On 20/03/2010 4:35 PM, Michael Laajanen wrote: >>>>> Hi, >>>>> Ian Collins wrote: >>>>>> On 03/21/10 10:25 AM, Chris Ridd wrote: >>>>>>> On 2010-03-20 20:28:12 +0000, Ian Collins said: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On 03/21/10 09:18 AM, Non scrivetemi wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Is Solaris now only a 30 day trial and after that you have to >>>>>>>>> pay? Or >>>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>>> you still download and use Solaris on x86 for free? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Um, the licensing information (from >>>>>>>> http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/get.jsp) now says: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Please remember, your right to use Solaris acquired as a >>>>>>>> download is >>>>>>>> limited to a trial of 90 days, unless you acquire a service >>>>>>>> contract >>>>>>>> for the downloaded Software." >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does anyone have a copy of what it used to say? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The wayback machine (running on Solaris or OpenSolaris IIRC) >>>>>>> shows the >>>>>>> page in 2008 >>>>>>> <http://web.archive.org/web/20080614035850/http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/popup.jsp?info=17>. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It just says you must have an entitlement doc. >>>>>> >>>>>> So the last sentence I quoted has been tacked on the end. Sneaky. >>>>>> >>>>> Well, not everything can be free on the world, Sun did not perform >>>>> well >>>>> and something at Sun must change in order to make money doesn't it? >>>>> >>>>> I have always seen Solaris in as RedHat and OpenSolaris as Fedora. >>>>> >>>>> Organisations should pay for the license, personal use of a Enterprise >>>>> SW should be free IMHO. >>>>> >>>>> /Michael >>>>> >>>> >>>> Couldn't agree more. While an organization should pay reasonable for a >>>> technology, it is cost prohibitive for many of us to pay retail to run >>>> this stuff. And by running it say at home, learning it, making skills >>>> available to businesses to use it... there is the value. As businesses >>>> are not going to shell out for technologoes that need full time @ >>>> $250/hr++ from Sun/Oracle. Might be ok to start for some with deep >>>> pockets, but not for most. >>>> >>>> Oracle has been successful squeezing the $$$ out of clients, but at >>>> some point their model will be deemed over priced. >>>> >>> $250/hr?????? >>> >>> I'll work cheaper than that! Not much cheaper, just enough to remain >>> completive! ;-) >> >> An exaggeration not, it isn't unusual for a technology company to want >> $10K per week, $250/hr to get someone in that knows more than BS and >> from the sourcing company. Oh, you can get a 3rd party for perhaps $80 >> but 80% the time they are just chair mushrooms with good talk but no >> walk. That does not mean the person gets $250, the company they work >> for gets that. >> >> Mind you, you can often squeeze them down if done up front as part of >> the larger sale. But that is not my point. My point being is if there >> are not people skills locally, often a technology would be passed over >> just for that reason alone. >> > > It can be very difficult to use technology in which you have no training > or experience! Frequently, somebody has to be sent to school for a week > or two or three to learn how to install and make use of the latest > technology. Been to school, done that! Sometimes the new technology is > worth what it costs. And sometimes not!! No arguement there. But experience compounds, if you have 20 years of UNIX behind you, zones, containers and zfs is a weekend with a book. While daunting for others. Much too depends on how much the individual invests in their career.
From: Canuck57 on 21 Mar 2010 00:14 On 20/03/2010 9:24 PM, Ian Collins wrote: > On 03/21/10 04:09 PM, Canuck57 wrote: >> On 20/03/2010 8:20 PM, Ian Collins wrote: >>> >>> Every system I have at home (AMD and Intel) works out of the box with >>> OpenSolaris. >> >> Downloads should increase on OpenSlaris provided Oracle does not squish >> the project. >> >> Might even try OpenSolaris it once I here they get ICH[7/8/9/10]R >> drivers in SATA RAID mode. Is that still an issue? > > Not on the Asus P6T I use. I don't think there is any need for RAID mode > on Solaris systems. > http://www.dansketcher.com/solaris-sata-support-for-onboard-chipsets/ http://opensolaris.org/jive/thread.jspa?messageID=190077 http://serverfault.com/questions/61779/solaris-10-5-09-cant-find-sata-disk The above links describes the issues. Basically Solaris SATA support for COTS SATA controllers needs serious work as many new BIOS do not support IDE legacy modes any more. Linux solved this years ago now. Really limits one to choices of hardware and thus like OS2, a hinderance.
From: Julian Macassey on 21 Mar 2010 04:58 On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 10:55:36 +1300, Ian Collins <ian-news(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > On 03/21/10 09:54 AM, Canuck57 wrote: >> >> OpenSolaris, I am sure it hasn't made any headway into businesses or I >> would see it. It too is going to wither as a hobbiest excercise as there >> is no impelling reason to use it over a Linux distro. > > I guess the main organisation I work with is the counter example. We > are consolidating legacy Linux boxes with zones on OpenSolaris hosts. > > For us, the compelling reasons are storage management, zones and CIFS. I work in a mixed Linux/OpenSolaris environent. Solaris excels with cifs They do have samba as does Linux, but their cifs is better. zfs is the best file system bar none. It runs large file systems well and flawlessly. You can manipulate disks on the fly and goodbye fsck. I haven't used zones, but playing with it see that is is better and faster than a Virtual Machine. -- The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding. - Louis D. Brandeis
From: Julian Macassey on 21 Mar 2010 05:03
On Sat, 20 Mar 2010 21:09:01 -0600, Canuck57 <Canuck57(a)nospam.com> wrote: > Plus VMs can run other OSes, ESX for example, Linux, W2008, W2003, > Solaris on the same boxen. Zones will run Solaris and Linux. I have no interest in Microsoft products. -- The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding. - Louis D. Brandeis |