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From: Julian Macassey on 21 Mar 2010 05:10 On Sun, 21 Mar 2010 16:24:10 +1300, Ian Collins <ian-news(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > Not on the Asus P6T I use. I don't think there is any need for RAID > mode on Solaris systems. If you are running RAID on Solaris, you don't know about zfs. With zfs, just run a JBOD and build filesystems on the fly. You can do the equiv of RAID 1, 5 and 6. You can grow and shrink on the fly, you can have hot spares that change themselves in automatically when a disk fails. -- The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding. - Louis D. Brandeis
From: Casper H.S. Dik on 21 Mar 2010 13:45 Canuck57 <Canuck57(a)nospam.com> writes: >Agreed, zones is just chroot on steroids. Ok, maybe a little more but >basically is an extention of chroot. Not a bad implimentation either. >But I prefer the VM approach after having used both. VMs are generally much, much more expensive. (You can do a couple of VMs on one system but 100s zones) >For example, a zone setup with sparse zones, now you want to patch 10 >running zones and get all the support to agree on one date, you have to >do them all at once. Or if you whole root them from the start, you >loose the benefits of sparse and might as well be a VM and scheduling >patches etc is easier. Clearly, patches in Solaris 10 are a pain. It is something we're trying to fix. >Might even try OpenSolaris it once I here they get ICH[7/8/9/10]R >drivers in SATA RAID mode. Is that still an issue? Because last I >checked it was a huge issue and major cause for people going to other >OSes. IF you had a BIOS switch to IDE mode emulation you could run it, >and many if not all newer systems don't have that option. Go by your >average Acer or HP quad proc from best Buy (AMD or Intel), and neither >Solaris runs. SATA works, RAID does not. You don't need to use IDE mode. Casper -- Expressed in this posting are my opinions. They are in no way related to opinions held by my employer, Sun Microsystems. Statements on Sun products included here are not gospel and may be fiction rather than truth.
From: Chris Ridd on 21 Mar 2010 14:38 On 2010-03-21 17:19:35 +0000, Niall Litchfield said: > On Mar 20, 9:25�pm, Chris Ridd <chrisr...(a)mac.com> wrote: >> On 2010-03-20 20:28:12 +0000, Ian Collins said: >> >>> On 03/21/10 09:18 AM, Non scrivetemi wrote: >>>> Hi, >> >>>> Is Solaris now only a 30 day trial and after that you have to pay? Orcan >>>> you still download and use Solaris on x86 for free? >> >>> Um, the licensing information (from >>> http://www.sun.com/software/solaris/get.jsp) now says: >> >>> "Please remember, your right to use Solaris acquired as a download is >>> limited to a trial of 90 days, unless you acquire a service contract >>> for the downloaded Software." >> >>> Does anyone have a copy of what it used to say? >> >> The wayback machine (running on Solaris or OpenSolaris IIRC) shows the >> page in 2008 >> <http://web.archive.org/web/20080614035850/http://www.sun.com/software...>. >> It just says you must have an entitlement doc. >> >> -- >> Chris > > Hmm when I go there it says > > "The Entitlement Document is an adjunct to the Software License > Agreement (SLA) that always accompanies the Solaris Operating System > software. The SLA sets forth the terms under which Sun Microsystems, > Inc. allows an end user to use the Solaris software for evaluation > purposes for 90 days and is a binding legal agreement between Sun and > the end user" > > That doesn't appear so different to me The current license has this new paragraph a little above the one you're quoting: "You may use Solaris only in one of the following ways: (1) if you have obtained a system from Sun or one of Sun's partners that includes a license for Solaris , you have a perpetual right under that license to use only the version that was installed on the system (no right to use updates, or upgrades to Solaris is included unless you acquire a service plan that includes this right); or (2) under a valid, existing license for Solaris and properly acquired Sun service plan that includes rights to updates or upgrades to Solaris; or (3) under the trial use terms below to which you must agree before downloading Solaris." As Ian noted, the "Solaris 10 Download Customers" section now has this final sentence: "Please remember, your right to use Solaris acquired as a download is limited to a trial of 90 days, unless you acquire a service contract for the downloaded Software." -- Chris
From: Chris Cox on 21 Mar 2010 17:28 Michael Laajanen wrote: .....snip.... > Well, not everything can be free on the world, Sun did not perform well > and something at Sun must change in order to make money doesn't it? > > I have always seen Solaris in as RedHat and OpenSolaris as Fedora. > > Organisations should pay for the license, personal use of a Enterprise > SW should be free IMHO. Red Hat DOES NOT (in any, way, shape or form) restrict the use of their software. It is free. What isn't free is support updates... which is sort of similar to how Solaris was, though arguably, just having a login got you most of the security related updates. The problem with RHEL and SLES is that you REALLY need the updates. :-) (ditto for Solaris btw... certainly don't want that gaping "anyone can become root remotely" issue that early Sol 10 had) Red Hat at least publishes their source rpms which makes it easy to do the builds. This allows things like CentOS to exist which basically acts as a builder of something that functionally should be the same as RHEL and supplies updates using the Red Hat source updates in CentOS compiled form. Novell's SLES doesn't appear to make their support source rpm's available for free (GPL??). You can get their GA source.
From: Canuck57 on 21 Mar 2010 18:01
On 21/03/2010 11:45 AM, Casper H.S. Dik wrote: > Canuck57<Canuck57(a)nospam.com> writes: > >> Agreed, zones is just chroot on steroids. Ok, maybe a little more but >> basically is an extention of chroot. Not a bad implimentation either. >> But I prefer the VM approach after having used both. > > VMs are generally much, much more expensive. (You can do a couple > of VMs on one system but 100s zones) > >> For example, a zone setup with sparse zones, now you want to patch 10 >> running zones and get all the support to agree on one date, you have to >> do them all at once. Or if you whole root them from the start, you >> loose the benefits of sparse and might as well be a VM and scheduling >> patches etc is easier. > > Clearly, patches in Solaris 10 are a pain. It is something we're > trying to fix. > >> Might even try OpenSolaris it once I here they get ICH[7/8/9/10]R >> drivers in SATA RAID mode. Is that still an issue? Because last I >> checked it was a huge issue and major cause for people going to other >> OSes. IF you had a BIOS switch to IDE mode emulation you could run it, >> and many if not all newer systems don't have that option. Go by your >> average Acer or HP quad proc from best Buy (AMD or Intel), and neither >> Solaris runs. > > SATA works, RAID does not. You don't need to use IDE mode. > > Casper I don't argue that some SATA chipsets work, just that many in the very popular ICH[7/8/9/10]R family do not. Even Sun says: Cite: http://www.sun.com/bigadmin/hcl/hcts/install_check.jsp Line: The disk is a SATA disk. Change the BIOS to make the SATA controller work in legacy or compatible mode. So legacy mode is needed, provided your system has it. If it does not you are SOL. Lots of PCs like this. -- -------------- Politicians don't provide anything, the tax payers do. |