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From: Robert Baer on 23 Apr 2010 02:11 Kevin McMurtrie wrote: > In article <k-adncl-GNqppFPWnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d(a)posted.localnet>, > Robert Baer <robertbaer(a)localnet.com> wrote: > >> Once upon a time, a long time ago, there was only analog modems and >> nice paper manuals came with them. >> Some of those manuals, in the back discussed that for best use, one >> should order a specific quality of phone line and disclosed the BELLCO >> designation to use when ordering the line. >> As i remember it, that designation was something simple like (making >> this up) Z9. >> I think that the TekCom modem manual at that time was one that gave >> that info. >> Question: What is that designation? >> Thanks. > > Cat 3 is commonly used for high quality telephone wiring. > > POTS is expected to go the way of the dinosaur within the next decade. > I'm ditching it as soon as my Internet gets a bit faster. New homes are > wired with Cat 6 so the phone jacks may carry gigabit ethernet later. Ma Bell did not use Cat 3; there was no such thing in those daze and their designation of (POTS since that is all that existed then) their lines was (as i indicated) rather simple (and different).
From: Robert Baer on 23 Apr 2010 02:13 Joel Koltner wrote: > "Kevin McMurtrie" <mcmurtrie(a)pixelmemory.us> wrote in message > news:4bd06b9a$0$22159$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net... >> POTS is expected to go the way of the dinosaur within the next decade. > > By 2019? I'd put money that -- unless there's a huge government program > similar to the REA -- there are many people in rural areas who are still > going to have POTS *well* past 2019. > > Maybe by 2029 though... > > That being said... at the Oregon Caves national monument not far from me > here, some vandals cut their POTS lines (that had been in place for > decades) last year. They found it more cost effective to set up a > high-speed digital microwave link rather than repairing the POTS line > damage -- which gives them more phone lines than they had before, as > well as fast Internet access. (Interestingly, they have a really cool > lodge pole-style resort there that purposely doesn't have TVs in the > guest rooms... yet they had a little booth available for a phone-line > hookup for dial-up Internet access back around the turn of the century; > I used in back in 2002. Kinda odd that you could check your e-mail but > not watch the nightly news on TV!) > > ---Joel > THAT is a rather interesting and amusing story!
From: krw on 23 Apr 2010 19:25 On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 23:11:34 -0700, Robert Baer <robertbaer(a)localnet.com> wrote: >Kevin McMurtrie wrote: >> In article <k-adncl-GNqppFPWnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d(a)posted.localnet>, >> Robert Baer <robertbaer(a)localnet.com> wrote: >> >>> Once upon a time, a long time ago, there was only analog modems and >>> nice paper manuals came with them. >>> Some of those manuals, in the back discussed that for best use, one >>> should order a specific quality of phone line and disclosed the BELLCO >>> designation to use when ordering the line. >>> As i remember it, that designation was something simple like (making >>> this up) Z9. >>> I think that the TekCom modem manual at that time was one that gave >>> that info. >>> Question: What is that designation? >>> Thanks. >> >> Cat 3 is commonly used for high quality telephone wiring. >> >> POTS is expected to go the way of the dinosaur within the next decade. >> I'm ditching it as soon as my Internet gets a bit faster. New homes are >> wired with Cat 6 so the phone jacks may carry gigabit ethernet later. > Ma Bell did not use Cat 3; there was no such thing in those daze and >their designation of (POTS since that is all that existed then) their >lines was (as i indicated) rather simple (and different). Ma didn't, but pop often wired his house with Cat 3. Now all that stuff is so cheap there isn't any reason not to use a single pair of Cat 6s for home-run telephone wiring.
From: Robert Baer on 23 Apr 2010 23:01 krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: > On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 23:11:34 -0700, Robert Baer <robertbaer(a)localnet.com> > wrote: > >> Kevin McMurtrie wrote: >>> In article <k-adncl-GNqppFPWnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d(a)posted.localnet>, >>> Robert Baer <robertbaer(a)localnet.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Once upon a time, a long time ago, there was only analog modems and >>>> nice paper manuals came with them. >>>> Some of those manuals, in the back discussed that for best use, one >>>> should order a specific quality of phone line and disclosed the BELLCO >>>> designation to use when ordering the line. >>>> As i remember it, that designation was something simple like (making >>>> this up) Z9. >>>> I think that the TekCom modem manual at that time was one that gave >>>> that info. >>>> Question: What is that designation? >>>> Thanks. >>> Cat 3 is commonly used for high quality telephone wiring. >>> >>> POTS is expected to go the way of the dinosaur within the next decade. >>> I'm ditching it as soon as my Internet gets a bit faster. New homes are >>> wired with Cat 6 so the phone jacks may carry gigabit ethernet later. >> Ma Bell did not use Cat 3; there was no such thing in those daze and >> their designation of (POTS since that is all that existed then) their >> lines was (as i indicated) rather simple (and different). > > Ma didn't, but pop often wired his house with Cat 3. Now all that stuff is so > cheap there isn't any reason not to use a single pair of Cat 6s for home-run > telephone wiring. So...i should buy about 20 miles of Cat 3 to run from the house to the CO? And make all the phone company, police, etc allow _that_??
From: krw on 24 Apr 2010 00:02
On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:01:41 -0700, Robert Baer <robertbaer(a)localnet.com> wrote: >krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 23:11:34 -0700, Robert Baer <robertbaer(a)localnet.com> >> wrote: >> >>> Kevin McMurtrie wrote: >>>> In article <k-adncl-GNqppFPWnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d(a)posted.localnet>, >>>> Robert Baer <robertbaer(a)localnet.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Once upon a time, a long time ago, there was only analog modems and >>>>> nice paper manuals came with them. >>>>> Some of those manuals, in the back discussed that for best use, one >>>>> should order a specific quality of phone line and disclosed the BELLCO >>>>> designation to use when ordering the line. >>>>> As i remember it, that designation was something simple like (making >>>>> this up) Z9. >>>>> I think that the TekCom modem manual at that time was one that gave >>>>> that info. >>>>> Question: What is that designation? >>>>> Thanks. >>>> Cat 3 is commonly used for high quality telephone wiring. >>>> >>>> POTS is expected to go the way of the dinosaur within the next decade. >>>> I'm ditching it as soon as my Internet gets a bit faster. New homes are >>>> wired with Cat 6 so the phone jacks may carry gigabit ethernet later. >>> Ma Bell did not use Cat 3; there was no such thing in those daze and >>> their designation of (POTS since that is all that existed then) their >>> lines was (as i indicated) rather simple (and different). >> >> Ma didn't, but pop often wired his house with Cat 3. Now all that stuff is so >> cheap there isn't any reason not to use a single pair of Cat 6s for home-run >> telephone wiring. > So...i should buy about 20 miles of Cat 3 to run from the house to >the CO? > And make all the phone company, police, etc allow _that_?? That was *not* the point made. |