POTS line quality help
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From: Robert Baer on 24 Apr 2010 00:17 krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: > On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:01:41 -0700, Robert Baer <robertbaer(a)localnet.com> > wrote: > >> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 23:11:34 -0700, Robert Baer <robertbaer(a)localnet.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Kevin McMurtrie wrote: >>>>> In article <k-adncl-GNqppFPWnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d(a)posted.localnet>, >>>>> Robert Baer <robertbaer(a)localnet.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Once upon a time, a long time ago, there was only analog modems and >>>>>> nice paper manuals came with them. >>>>>> Some of those manuals, in the back discussed that for best use, one >>>>>> should order a specific quality of phone line and disclosed the BELLCO >>>>>> designation to use when ordering the line. >>>>>> As i remember it, that designation was something simple like (making >>>>>> this up) Z9. >>>>>> I think that the TekCom modem manual at that time was one that gave >>>>>> that info. >>>>>> Question: What is that designation? >>>>>> Thanks. >>>>> Cat 3 is commonly used for high quality telephone wiring. >>>>> >>>>> POTS is expected to go the way of the dinosaur within the next decade. >>>>> I'm ditching it as soon as my Internet gets a bit faster. New homes are >>>>> wired with Cat 6 so the phone jacks may carry gigabit ethernet later. >>>> Ma Bell did not use Cat 3; there was no such thing in those daze and >>>> their designation of (POTS since that is all that existed then) their >>>> lines was (as i indicated) rather simple (and different). >>> Ma didn't, but pop often wired his house with Cat 3. Now all that stuff is so >>> cheap there isn't any reason not to use a single pair of Cat 6s for home-run >>> telephone wiring. >> So...i should buy about 20 miles of Cat 3 to run from the house to >> the CO? >> And make all the phone company, police, etc allow _that_?? > > That was *not* the point made. The "point" is that you apparently do not know what you are talking about; i ask about bell designation for phone line quality and you mumble about Cat 3; not related in the slightest degree.
From: krw on 24 Apr 2010 00:24 On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 21:17:42 -0700, Robert Baer <robertbaer(a)localnet.com> wrote: >krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >> On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:01:41 -0700, Robert Baer <robertbaer(a)localnet.com> >> wrote: >> >>> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: >>>> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 23:11:34 -0700, Robert Baer <robertbaer(a)localnet.com> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Kevin McMurtrie wrote: >>>>>> In article <k-adncl-GNqppFPWnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d(a)posted.localnet>, >>>>>> Robert Baer <robertbaer(a)localnet.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Once upon a time, a long time ago, there was only analog modems and >>>>>>> nice paper manuals came with them. >>>>>>> Some of those manuals, in the back discussed that for best use, one >>>>>>> should order a specific quality of phone line and disclosed the BELLCO >>>>>>> designation to use when ordering the line. >>>>>>> As i remember it, that designation was something simple like (making >>>>>>> this up) Z9. >>>>>>> I think that the TekCom modem manual at that time was one that gave >>>>>>> that info. >>>>>>> Question: What is that designation? >>>>>>> Thanks. >>>>>> Cat 3 is commonly used for high quality telephone wiring. >>>>>> >>>>>> POTS is expected to go the way of the dinosaur within the next decade. >>>>>> I'm ditching it as soon as my Internet gets a bit faster. New homes are >>>>>> wired with Cat 6 so the phone jacks may carry gigabit ethernet later. >>>>> Ma Bell did not use Cat 3; there was no such thing in those daze and >>>>> their designation of (POTS since that is all that existed then) their >>>>> lines was (as i indicated) rather simple (and different). >>>> Ma didn't, but pop often wired his house with Cat 3. Now all that stuff is so >>>> cheap there isn't any reason not to use a single pair of Cat 6s for home-run >>>> telephone wiring. >>> So...i should buy about 20 miles of Cat 3 to run from the house to >>> the CO? >>> And make all the phone company, police, etc allow _that_?? >> >> That was *not* the point made. > The "point" is that you apparently do not know what you are talking >about; i ask about bell designation for phone line quality and you >mumble about Cat 3; not related in the slightest degree. You obviously can't read either.
From: JosephKK on 24 Apr 2010 12:45 On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 16:29:17 -0700, Robert Baer <robertbaer(a)localnet.com> wrote: > Once upon a time, a long time ago, there was only analog modems and >nice paper manuals came with them. > Some of those manuals, in the back discussed that for best use, one >should order a specific quality of phone line and disclosed the BELLCO >designation to use when ordering the line. > As i remember it, that designation was something simple like (making >this up) Z9. > I think that the TekCom modem manual at that time was one that gave >that info. > Question: What is that designation? > Thanks. The last i heard you wanted a 3002 line. Should be able to provide 56k on typical current modems.
From: Kevin McMurtrie on 24 Apr 2010 14:21 In article <8rydnVl-iPND7U_WnZ2dnUVZ_v-dnZ2d(a)posted.localnet>, Robert Baer <robertbaer(a)localnet.com> wrote: > krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: > > On Fri, 23 Apr 2010 20:01:41 -0700, Robert Baer <robertbaer(a)localnet.com> > > wrote: > > > >> krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz wrote: > >>> On Thu, 22 Apr 2010 23:11:34 -0700, Robert Baer <robertbaer(a)localnet.com> > >>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Kevin McMurtrie wrote: > >>>>> In article <k-adncl-GNqppFPWnZ2dnUVZ_ridnZ2d(a)posted.localnet>, > >>>>> Robert Baer <robertbaer(a)localnet.com> wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Once upon a time, a long time ago, there was only analog modems and > >>>>>> nice paper manuals came with them. > >>>>>> Some of those manuals, in the back discussed that for best use, one > >>>>>> should order a specific quality of phone line and disclosed the BELLCO > >>>>>> designation to use when ordering the line. > >>>>>> As i remember it, that designation was something simple like > >>>>>> (making > >>>>>> this up) Z9. > >>>>>> I think that the TekCom modem manual at that time was one that gave > >>>>>> that info. > >>>>>> Question: What is that designation? > >>>>>> Thanks. > >>>>> Cat 3 is commonly used for high quality telephone wiring. > >>>>> > >>>>> POTS is expected to go the way of the dinosaur within the next decade. > >>>>> I'm ditching it as soon as my Internet gets a bit faster. New homes > >>>>> are > >>>>> wired with Cat 6 so the phone jacks may carry gigabit ethernet later. > >>>> Ma Bell did not use Cat 3; there was no such thing in those daze and > >>>> their designation of (POTS since that is all that existed then) their > >>>> lines was (as i indicated) rather simple (and different). > >>> Ma didn't, but pop often wired his house with Cat 3. Now all that stuff > >>> is so > >>> cheap there isn't any reason not to use a single pair of Cat 6s for > >>> home-run > >>> telephone wiring. > >> So...i should buy about 20 miles of Cat 3 to run from the house to > >> the CO? > >> And make all the phone company, police, etc allow _that_?? > > > > That was *not* the point made. > The "point" is that you apparently do not know what you are talking > about; i ask about bell designation for phone line quality and you > mumble about Cat 3; not related in the slightest degree. You didn't originally mention that you wanted to know about utility pole wiring. From what I've seen there is no standard cabling. Check some old poles where the wiring has been cut and moved. The cable build probably varies every block. Maybe you're thinking of fancy wiring that was used for long distance calls before they were converted to digital signals. -- I won't see Google Groups replies because I must filter them as spam
From: Robert Baer on 24 Apr 2010 15:06
JosephKK wrote: > On Tue, 20 Apr 2010 16:29:17 -0700, Robert Baer <robertbaer(a)localnet.com> > wrote: > >> Once upon a time, a long time ago, there was only analog modems and >> nice paper manuals came with them. >> Some of those manuals, in the back discussed that for best use, one >> should order a specific quality of phone line and disclosed the BELLCO >> designation to use when ordering the line. >> As i remember it, that designation was something simple like (making >> this up) Z9. >> I think that the TekCom modem manual at that time was one that gave >> that info. >> Question: What is that designation? >> Thanks. > > The last i heard you wanted a 3002 line. Should be able to provide 56k > on typical current modems. THANK YOU!!!!! I will see if that works here with Qwest in as much as they are rather customer hostile; they only want money and care less about anything else. You make a call and find the line busy; an *automated* voice prompts "for _only_ eightyfive cents we will try your call for later delivery" (price something like that) Never Mind that it _costs_ them NOTHING to do this; it is a way of extracting money from captive customers. I could cite a fair number of other examples like the phone line problem i have. Up to about 6 months ago (roughly) i could reliably connect at 45K to 48+Kbaud and then all of a sudden i got 28.8Kbaud and now am at 26.4K and who knows how more it will sink? The have been actively pushing DSL like crazy (3-5 inserts in monthly bills, newspaper ads, etc) and PURPOSELY choking modem bandwidth to "force" a change in $pending (= = ca$h to them). Too bad the internet does not connect by way of semaphore flags... |