Physical Explanation for E=mc^2
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From: mpc755 on 13 Feb 2010 15:43 On Feb 13, 3:35 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 13, 2:14 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 13, 2:31 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 13, 7:41 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. > > > > EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > > The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer > > > > exists as part of the body has not vanished. > > > > It certainly escapes measurement. Mass is *measurable*. > > > Aether is not measurable in and of itself because there is nothing to > > measure it with. > > Ah, so you CHOOSE to believe that mass is conserved, even though > measurement says otherwise, and you CHOOSE to believe that the mass > that appears missing has been hidden somewhere where it can't be > measured. You can't confirm that with experimental measurement, but > you CHOOSE to believe it anyway. > You do confirm the mass still exists because of the energy. Mass is conserved in nature. In E=mc^2, the energy is the effect the matter transitioning to aether has on the neighboring matter and aether. You CHOOSE to believe the mass 'becomes' energy. I CHOOSE to believe the physical transformation of matter to energy is energy. > Do you believe in invisible gremlins too? > > > As Einstein said, all we can do is measure the state > > of the aether and the state of the aether is determined by its > > connections to the matter and the state of the matter in neighboring > > places. > > > When a body gives off energy and its mass diminishes the overall mass > > in existence in the universe remains constant. > > > > Do you need a place to hide matter so that it escapes measurement but > > > where you can still choose to believe it still exists? > > > > > It still exists, as > > > > aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three > > > > dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether > > > > and matter is energy. > > > > > The effects of the newly released aether is energy. Think nuclear > > > > fission and fusion. The energy given off in nuclear fission and fusion > > > > reactions is the effect matter transitioning to aether has on the > > > > matter and aether in neighboring places. > >
From: PD on 13 Feb 2010 15:46 On Feb 13, 2:39 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 13, 3:26 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 13, 2:06 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 13, 2:29 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 13, 10:14 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 13, 9:34 am, Igor <thoov...(a)excite.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Feb 13, 8:41 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. > > > > > > > EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > > > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > > > > > The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer > > > > > > > exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as > > > > > > > aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three > > > > > > > dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether > > > > > > > and matter is energy. > > > > > > > > The effects of the newly released aether is energy. Think nuclear > > > > > > > fission and fusion. The energy given off in nuclear fission and fusion > > > > > > > reactions is the effect matter transitioning to aether has on the > > > > > > > matter and aether in neighboring places. > > > > > > > Funny, but quantum theory explains these things quite well without > > > > > > ever remotely mentioning your silly aether. > > > > > > Energy is the effect matter transitioning to aether has on the > > > > > surrounding matter and aether. > > > > > > I take it when you think of E=mc^2 you are probably thinking the > > > > > matter 'converts' to energy? What happened to the mass associated with > > > > > the matter? Did it disappear? > > > > > Yes. That's what mass-energy conversion MEANS. Mass becomes energy and > > > > is no longer mass. > > > > > There is no law of nature that says matter is conserved. > > > > > Mass is a *measurable* quantity. If you measure a system's mass, and > > > > some of it is converted into energy, you can *measure* the difference > > > > by measuring the mass again and SEEING that it no longer the same > > > > number as before. That is, you can SEE with your very own eyes that > > > > mass is not a conserved quantity. You don't have to lie to yourself > > > > that the mass is still there but hidden somewhere, and invent some > > > > stupid aether just to have some place to hide it. > > > > When you say you measure a system's mass you are not taking into > > > account the aether which exists within and outside of the system. > > > When I say I *measure* the system's mass, I mean I *measure* it. > > Perhaps it would be good if you would specify how to make the mass > > measurement in such a way that the aether stored in the mass is > > included in the measurement. > > You can't measure the mass of the aether. What you can measure is the > state of the aether. Ah, so you can't measure the mass to confirm experimentally that it is conserved. Yet you claim you KNOW this is true anyway, without experimental verification. > > For example, let's say you existed in water and it was physically > impossible for you to detect or measure the water directly. All you > could do was measure the state of the water based upon the state of > the matter in the water. The matter in the water is an ice cube. As > the ice cube melts it will give off energy and the mass of the ice > cube will diminish but the overall mass in existence remains the same. > You measure the state of the water by measuring the energy and the > state of the ice cube.
From: PD on 13 Feb 2010 15:47 On Feb 13, 2:43 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 13, 3:35 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 13, 2:14 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 13, 2:31 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 13, 7:41 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. > > > > > EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > > > The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer > > > > > exists as part of the body has not vanished. > > > > > It certainly escapes measurement. Mass is *measurable*. > > > > Aether is not measurable in and of itself because there is nothing to > > > measure it with. > > > Ah, so you CHOOSE to believe that mass is conserved, even though > > measurement says otherwise, and you CHOOSE to believe that the mass > > that appears missing has been hidden somewhere where it can't be > > measured. You can't confirm that with experimental measurement, but > > you CHOOSE to believe it anyway. > > You do confirm the mass still exists because of the energy. Energy is not mass. The measured mass is changed. > Mass is > conserved in nature. No, it's not. There's not a lick of experimental evidence that says that mass is conserved. You believe it is anyway, but you want to hide it somewhere where it can't be measured. > In E=mc^2, the energy is the effect the matter > transitioning to aether has on the neighboring matter and aether. > > You CHOOSE to believe the mass 'becomes' energy. > I CHOOSE to believe the physical transformation of matter to energy is > energy. > > > Do you believe in invisible gremlins too? > > > > As Einstein said, all we can do is measure the state > > > of the aether and the state of the aether is determined by its > > > connections to the matter and the state of the matter in neighboring > > > places. > > > > When a body gives off energy and its mass diminishes the overall mass > > > in existence in the universe remains constant. > > > > > Do you need a place to hide matter so that it escapes measurement but > > > > where you can still choose to believe it still exists? > > > > > > It still exists, as > > > > > aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three > > > > > dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether > > > > > and matter is energy. > > > > > > The effects of the newly released aether is energy. Think nuclear > > > > > fission and fusion. The energy given off in nuclear fission and fusion > > > > > reactions is the effect matter transitioning to aether has on the > > > > > matter and aether in neighboring places. > >
From: mpc755 on 13 Feb 2010 15:51 On Feb 13, 2:31 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 13, 7:41 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. > > EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer > > exists as part of the body has not vanished. > > It certainly escapes measurement. Mass is *measurable*. > Do you need a place to hide matter so that it escapes measurement but > where you can still choose to believe it still exists? > It is measured in the energy created. If you existed in water and could not directly detect the mass of the water and an ice cube melts in the water you would conclude the mass associated with the ice cube no longer exists which is incorrect. The water still exists. The state of the water transformed from ice to liquid water. > > It still exists, as > > aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three > > dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether > > and matter is energy. > > > The effects of the newly released aether is energy. Think nuclear > > fission and fusion. The energy given off in nuclear fission and fusion > > reactions is the effect matter transitioning to aether has on the > > matter and aether in neighboring places. > >
From: mpc755 on 13 Feb 2010 15:52
On Feb 13, 3:47 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Feb 13, 2:43 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 13, 3:35 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Feb 13, 2:14 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Feb 13, 2:31 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On Feb 13, 7:41 am, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. > > > > > > EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > > > > > > "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > > > > > > diminishes by L/c2." > > > > > > > The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer > > > > > > exists as part of the body has not vanished. > > > > > > It certainly escapes measurement. Mass is *measurable*. > > > > > Aether is not measurable in and of itself because there is nothing to > > > > measure it with. > > > > Ah, so you CHOOSE to believe that mass is conserved, even though > > > measurement says otherwise, and you CHOOSE to believe that the mass > > > that appears missing has been hidden somewhere where it can't be > > > measured. You can't confirm that with experimental measurement, but > > > you CHOOSE to believe it anyway. > > > You do confirm the mass still exists because of the energy. > > Energy is not mass. The measured mass is changed. > > > Mass is > > conserved in nature. > > No, it's not. There's not a lick of experimental evidence that says > that mass is conserved. > You believe it is anyway, but you want to hide it somewhere where it > can't be measured. > > > In E=mc^2, the energy is the effect the matter > > transitioning to aether has on the neighboring matter and aether. > > > You CHOOSE to believe the mass 'becomes' energy. > > I CHOOSE to believe the physical transformation of matter to energy is > > energy. > If you existed in water and could not detect the water directly and an ice cube melted does the mass associated with the ice cube still exist? > > > Do you believe in invisible gremlins too? > > > > > As Einstein said, all we can do is measure the state > > > > of the aether and the state of the aether is determined by its > > > > connections to the matter and the state of the matter in neighboring > > > > places. > > > > > When a body gives off energy and its mass diminishes the overall mass > > > > in existence in the universe remains constant. > > > > > > Do you need a place to hide matter so that it escapes measurement but > > > > > where you can still choose to believe it still exists? > > > > > > > It still exists, as > > > > > > aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three > > > > > > dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether > > > > > > and matter is energy. > > > > > > > The effects of the newly released aether is energy. Think nuclear > > > > > > fission and fusion. The energy given off in nuclear fission and fusion > > > > > > reactions is the effect matter transitioning to aether has on the > > > > > > matter and aether in neighboring places. > > |