Physical Explanation for E=mc^2
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From: mpc755 on 13 Feb 2010 19:05 > Nope - [mass] was simply converted to another form of energy And this is exactly the misunderstanding of what energy is that I am discussing. Mass does not convert to energy. Mass is not a form of energy. The effect matter transitioning to aether has on the neighboring matter and aether is energy. The effect mass transitioning from a compressed to an uncompressed state has on the surrounding mass is energy. When matter transitions to aether the physical effect the increase in volume the mass associated with the transition undergoes is energy. Mass is associated with a material substance. Matter and aether are different states of this material substance. Matter is compressed aether and aether is uncompressed matter. When matter transitions to aether the effect the increase in volume the mass associated with the transition undergoes is energy. Energy is the physical effects associated with mass transitioning from matter to aether. Where matter is 'created' in the universe is where the pressure is great enough to compress aether into matter.
From: BURT on 13 Feb 2010 19:17 On Feb 13, 4:05 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Nope - [mass] was simply converted to another form of energy > > And this is exactly the misunderstanding of what energy is that I am > discussing. Mass does not convert to energy. Mass is not a form of > energy. The effect matter transitioning to aether has on the > neighboring matter and aether is energy. The effect mass transitioning > from a compressed to an uncompressed state has on the surrounding mass > is energy. When matter transitions to aether the physical effect the > increase in volume the mass associated with the transition undergoes > is energy. > > Mass is associated with a material substance. Matter and aether are > different states of this material substance. Matter is compressed > aether and aether is uncompressed matter. > > When matter transitions to aether the effect the increase in volume > the mass associated with the transition undergoes is energy. > > Energy is the physical effects associated with mass transitioning from > matter to aether. > > Where matter is 'created' in the universe is where the pressure is > great enough to compress aether into matter. I have to say that there is finite density energy with time flow as well as infinitely dense. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 13 Feb 2010 19:19 > Nope - [mass] was simply converted to another form of energy And this is exactly the misunderstanding of what energy is that I am discussing. Mass does not convert to energy. Mass is not a form of energy. The effect matter transitioning to aether has on the neighboring matter and aether is energy. The effect mass transitioning from a compressed to an uncompressed state has on the surrounding mass is energy. When matter transitions to aether the physical effect the increase in volume the mass associated with the transition undergoes is energy. Mass is associated with a material substance. Matter and aether are different states of this material substance. Matter is compressed aether and aether is uncompressed matter. When matter transitions to aether the effect the increase in volume the mass associated with the transition undergoes is energy. Energy is the physical effects associated with mass transitioning from matter to aether. Where matter is 'created' in the universe is where the pressure is great enough to compress aether into matter.
From: Bill Hobba on 13 Feb 2010 21:48 On 14/02/2010 9:01 AM, mpc755 wrote: > On Feb 13, 5:20 pm, Bill Hobba<bho...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> On 14/02/2010 12:26 AM, mpc755 wrote: >> >> >> >>> On Feb 13, 9:17 am, "Dono."<sa...(a)comcast.net> wrote: >>>> On Feb 13, 6:03 am, mpc755<mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>> On Feb 13, 8:41 am, mpc755<mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>>>> 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. >>>>>> EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf >> >>>>>> "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass >>>>>> diminishes by L/c2." >> >>>>>> The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer >>>>>> exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as >>>>>> aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three >>>>>> dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether >>>>>> and matter is energy. >> >>>>>> The effects of the newly released aether is energy. Think nuclear >>>>>> fission and fusion. The energy given off in nuclear fission and fusion >>>>>> reactions is the effect matter transitioning to aether has on the >>>>>> matter and aether in neighboring places. >> >>>>> The 'E' in E=mc^2 is the effect matter transitioning to aether has on >>>>> the neighboring matter and aether. I'm guessing you could probably >>>>> modify the equation to be A=Mc^2, where 'A' is aether and 'M' is >>>>> matter, and you would have a decent idea of the difference in volume >>>>> between matter and aether.- Hide quoted text - >> >>>>> - Show quoted text - >> >>>> Imbecile. Autistic. Autistic imbecile. >> >>> Energy is the effect matter transitioning to aether has on the >>> surrounding matter and aether. >> >>> I take it when you think of E=mc^2 you are probably thinking the >>> matter 'converts' to energy? >> >> I suspect he thinks about it correctly - that matter is just a different >> form of energy like heat is another form. That this is so follows from >> the modern defintion of energy based on Noethers Theorem. Note E=MC'2 >> does not say mass and energy are the same thing or that energy has mass >> - simply that it is another form of energy. >> >>> What happened to the mass associated with >>> the matter? Did it disappear? >> >> Nope - it was simply converted to another form of energy like heat >> energy for example can be converted to EM energy. No mystery involved. >> > > > And this is exactly the misunderstanding of what energy is that I am > discussing. Mass does not convert to energy. Mass is not a form of > energy. That is incorrect. It follows immediately from the modern definition of energy based on Noethers theorem and the relativistic free particle Lagrangian. You cant really argue with a definition. I suspect your problem is you are thinking of energy as a thing like something you grasp with your hand. Its not like that. As Feynman has said no one really knows what it is. We can define it, and the modern definition based on Noethers beautiful theorem is simply wonderful, but physicists don't know what it is really. Thanks Bill > The effect matter transitioning to aether has on the > neighboring matter and aether is energy. The effect mass transitioning > from a compressed to an uncompressed state has on the surrounding mass > is energy. When matter transitions to aether the physical effect the > increase in volume the mass associated with the transition undergoes > is energy. > > Mass is associated with a material substance. Matter and aether are > different states of this material substance. Matter is compressed > aether and aether is uncompressed matter. > > When matter transitions to aether the effect the increase in volume > the mass associated with the transition undergoes is energy. > > Energy is the physical effects associated with mass transitioning from > matter to aether. > > Where matter is 'created' in the universe is where the pressure is > great enough to compress aether into matter. > > > > > >> Thanks >> Bill >> >>> And if you say matter 'becomes' energy >>> then you still have the same issue of what happened to the mass >>> because energy is mass-less. >> >>> So, in E=mc^2, what happens to the mass? >> >>> In nuclear fission and nuclear fusion, when energy is created, is >>> there more, less, or the same amount of mass in existence in the >>> universe? >> >> >
From: mpc755 on 13 Feb 2010 22:10
On Feb 13, 9:48 pm, Bill Hobba <bho...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On 14/02/2010 9:01 AM, mpc755 wrote: > > > > > On Feb 13, 5:20 pm, Bill Hobba<bho...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > >> On 14/02/2010 12:26 AM, mpc755 wrote: > > >>> On Feb 13, 9:17 am, "Dono."<sa...(a)comcast.net> wrote: > >>>> On Feb 13, 6:03 am, mpc755<mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>> On Feb 13, 8:41 am, mpc755<mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > >>>>>> 'DOES THE INERTIA OF A BODY DEPEND UPON ITS ENERGY-CONTENT? By A. > >>>>>> EINSTEIN'http://www.fourmilab.ch/etexts/einstein/E_mc2/e_mc2.pdf > > >>>>>> "If a body gives off the energy L in the form of radiation, its mass > >>>>>> diminishes by L/c2." > > >>>>>> The mass of the body does diminish, but the matter which no longer > >>>>>> exists as part of the body has not vanished. It still exists, as > >>>>>> aether. As the matter transitions to aether it expands in three > >>>>>> dimensions. The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether > >>>>>> and matter is energy. > > >>>>>> The effects of the newly released aether is energy. Think nuclear > >>>>>> fission and fusion. The energy given off in nuclear fission and fusion > >>>>>> reactions is the effect matter transitioning to aether has on the > >>>>>> matter and aether in neighboring places. > > >>>>> The 'E' in E=mc^2 is the effect matter transitioning to aether has on > >>>>> the neighboring matter and aether. I'm guessing you could probably > >>>>> modify the equation to be A=Mc^2, where 'A' is aether and 'M' is > >>>>> matter, and you would have a decent idea of the difference in volume > >>>>> between matter and aether.- Hide quoted text - > > >>>>> - Show quoted text - > > >>>> Imbecile. Autistic. Autistic imbecile. > > >>> Energy is the effect matter transitioning to aether has on the > >>> surrounding matter and aether. > > >>> I take it when you think of E=mc^2 you are probably thinking the > >>> matter 'converts' to energy? > > >> I suspect he thinks about it correctly - that matter is just a different > >> form of energy like heat is another form. That this is so follows from > >> the modern defintion of energy based on Noethers Theorem. Note E=MC'2 > >> does not say mass and energy are the same thing or that energy has mass > >> - simply that it is another form of energy. > > >>> What happened to the mass associated with > >>> the matter? Did it disappear? > > >> Nope - it was simply converted to another form of energy like heat > >> energy for example can be converted to EM energy. No mystery involved. > > > And this is exactly the misunderstanding of what energy is that I am > > discussing. Mass does not convert to energy. Mass is not a form of > > energy. > > That is incorrect. It follows immediately from the modern definition of > energy based on Noethers theorem and the relativistic free particle > Lagrangian. You cant really argue with a definition. > Not sure who you are referring to when you say 'Noethers theorem', but if you are referring to Einstein then you don't even understand his stance on aether: "According to the general theory of relativity space without ether is unthinkable" - Albert Einstein > I suspect your problem is you are thinking of energy as a thing like > something you grasp with your hand. Energy is the result of physical actions. The physical action of matter expanding into aether is energy. > Its not like that. As Feynman has > said no one really knows what it is. I know exactly what it is. It is the physical effects matter transitioning to aether has on the neighboring matter and aether. Feynman was also famous for saying no one understood a double slit experiment. Seems like Feynman was more interested in not understanding nature than understanding it. A moving C-60 molecule has an associated aether displacement wave. In a double slit experiment with a C-60 molecule the associated aether displacement waves enters and exits the available slits and creates interference upon exiting the slits. The C-60 molecule enters and exits a single slit and the direction it travels is altered by the interference it encounters when exiting the slits. Placing detectors at the exits to the slits causes decoherence of the associated aether displacement wave (turns it into chop) and there is no interference. > We can define it, and the modern > definition based on Noethers beautiful theorem is simply wonderful, but > physicists don't know what it is really. > I do. > Thanks > Bill > > > The effect matter transitioning to aether has on the > > neighboring matter and aether is energy. The effect mass transitioning > > from a compressed to an uncompressed state has on the surrounding mass > > is energy. When matter transitions to aether the physical effect the > > increase in volume the mass associated with the transition undergoes > > is energy. > > > Mass is associated with a material substance. Matter and aether are > > different states of this material substance. Matter is compressed > > aether and aether is uncompressed matter. > > > When matter transitions to aether the effect the increase in volume > > the mass associated with the transition undergoes is energy. > > > Energy is the physical effects associated with mass transitioning from > > matter to aether. > > > Where matter is 'created' in the universe is where the pressure is > > great enough to compress aether into matter. > > >> Thanks > >> Bill > > >>> And if you say matter 'becomes' energy > >>> then you still have the same issue of what happened to the mass > >>> because energy is mass-less. > > >>> So, in E=mc^2, what happens to the mass? > > >>> In nuclear fission and nuclear fusion, when energy is created, is > >>> there more, less, or the same amount of mass in existence in the > >>> universe? > > |