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From: Joerg on 4 Dec 2009 12:12 Jon Kirwan wrote: > On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:57:44 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >> Jon Kirwan wrote: >>> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:28:30 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Jon Kirwan wrote: >>>>> On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:16:02 -0800, I wrote: >>>>> >>>>>>>> JK: "I don't know what you'd hope to achieve, either >>>>>>>> way. An investigation to investigate what, exactly? The people or >>>>>>>> the science? ..." >>>>>>> Joerg: "Both." >>>>>> JK: ":) I suspect one will happen, but not the other." >>>>> Well, there it is... as I said would probably happen: >>>>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqu3xuECR-sjSZpzuNRssHo7fs2wD9CC31SO0 >>>>> >>>>> I had figured it would be about this quick. >>>> But what does he have to do with the leaked emails from East Anglia? >>>> >>>> <scratching head> >>> I'm scratching my head, too. This is the "University of East Anglia" >>> which is at Norwich, UK, as I understand it. The Climatic Research >>> Unit (CRU) we talked about earlier is there, isn't it? >>> >> Yeah, but your link is about Georgia's house speaker resigning. That's >> around 4000 miles from Norwich, UK :-) >> >> >>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/20/climate-sceptics-hackers-leaked-emails >>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/cif-green/2009/nov/23/leaked-email-climate-change >>> >> That's pretty old news there. >> >> >>> Did I miss something? It's possible. Let me know. >>> >> No, just what is it that happened where your said it probably would >> happen? Jones stepping down for a while? He almost had to. > > Thanks, Joerg. Somehow I got the wrong link, I think. I don't even > know where that darned thing came from!! My apologies. > > Try: > http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/12/climate-docs-lead-to-investigations-at-cru-penn-state.ars > Thanks for the new link. However, the information in there isn't totally new, some of it was actually printed in our rather liberal-leaning daily (Sacramento Bee). But only as a little news flash tucked away somewhere. As your article said, scientific reviews can drone on forever. However, now that the stuff has leaked out policy makers will likely tread a lot more careful when it comes to AGW-related measures. Because they must keep in mind what their constituent's opinions are, no matter whether justified or not. And there has been a change, big time. -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: Jon Kirwan on 4 Dec 2009 13:34 On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:12:00 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Jon Kirwan wrote: >> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:57:44 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> Jon Kirwan wrote: >>>> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:28:30 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jon Kirwan wrote: >>>>>> On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:16:02 -0800, I wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>>>> JK: "I don't know what you'd hope to achieve, either >>>>>>>>> way. An investigation to investigate what, exactly? The people or >>>>>>>>> the science? ..." >>>>>>>> Joerg: "Both." >>>>>>> JK: ":) I suspect one will happen, but not the other." >>>>>> Well, there it is... as I said would probably happen: >>>>>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqu3xuECR-sjSZpzuNRssHo7fs2wD9CC31SO0 >>>>>> >>>>>> I had figured it would be about this quick. >>>>> But what does he have to do with the leaked emails from East Anglia? >>>>> >>>>> <scratching head> >>>> I'm scratching my head, too. This is the "University of East Anglia" >>>> which is at Norwich, UK, as I understand it. The Climatic Research >>>> Unit (CRU) we talked about earlier is there, isn't it? >>>> >>> Yeah, but your link is about Georgia's house speaker resigning. That's >>> around 4000 miles from Norwich, UK :-) >>> >>> >>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/20/climate-sceptics-hackers-leaked-emails >>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/cif-green/2009/nov/23/leaked-email-climate-change >>>> >>> That's pretty old news there. >>> >>> >>>> Did I miss something? It's possible. Let me know. >>>> >>> No, just what is it that happened where your said it probably would >>> happen? Jones stepping down for a while? He almost had to. >> >> Thanks, Joerg. Somehow I got the wrong link, I think. I don't even >> know where that darned thing came from!! My apologies. >> >> Try: >> http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/12/climate-docs-lead-to-investigations-at-cru-penn-state.ars > >Thanks for the new link. However, the information in there isn't totally >new, some of it was actually printed in our rather liberal-leaning daily >(Sacramento Bee). But only as a little news flash tucked away somewhere. >As your article said, scientific reviews can drone on forever. However, >now that the stuff has leaked out policy makers will likely tread a lot >more careful when it comes to AGW-related measures. Because they must >keep in mind what their constituent's opinions are, no matter whether >justified or not. And there has been a change, big time. I merely thought an investigation on the one hand was likely. It was. And started quite soon. On the rest, as with ANY policy issue in a democracy, politicians must deal with public opinion. That goes without saying. Doesn't change physics, but where the gas pedal is ultimately held affects whether or not an impending car crash into the proverbial brick wall happens at 120 kph or 10 kph. A lot more is often learned by smashing things up, I admit, than not. ;) It's going to be interesting and educational, if perhaps a bit unpleasant to some if enough less is done than more of what should have been. (Can the last half of that last sentence even be expressed in German? hehe. I am struggling with how. :) Jon
From: Joerg on 4 Dec 2009 14:01 Jon Kirwan wrote: > On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:12:00 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> > wrote: > >> Jon Kirwan wrote: >>> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:57:44 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> Jon Kirwan wrote: >>>>> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:28:30 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Jon Kirwan wrote: >>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:16:02 -0800, I wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> JK: "I don't know what you'd hope to achieve, either >>>>>>>>>> way. An investigation to investigate what, exactly? The people or >>>>>>>>>> the science? ..." >>>>>>>>> Joerg: "Both." >>>>>>>> JK: ":) I suspect one will happen, but not the other." >>>>>>> Well, there it is... as I said would probably happen: >>>>>>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqu3xuECR-sjSZpzuNRssHo7fs2wD9CC31SO0 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I had figured it would be about this quick. >>>>>> But what does he have to do with the leaked emails from East Anglia? >>>>>> >>>>>> <scratching head> >>>>> I'm scratching my head, too. This is the "University of East Anglia" >>>>> which is at Norwich, UK, as I understand it. The Climatic Research >>>>> Unit (CRU) we talked about earlier is there, isn't it? >>>>> >>>> Yeah, but your link is about Georgia's house speaker resigning. That's >>>> around 4000 miles from Norwich, UK :-) >>>> >>>> >>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/20/climate-sceptics-hackers-leaked-emails >>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/cif-green/2009/nov/23/leaked-email-climate-change >>>>> >>>> That's pretty old news there. >>>> >>>> >>>>> Did I miss something? It's possible. Let me know. >>>>> >>>> No, just what is it that happened where your said it probably would >>>> happen? Jones stepping down for a while? He almost had to. >>> Thanks, Joerg. Somehow I got the wrong link, I think. I don't even >>> know where that darned thing came from!! My apologies. >>> >>> Try: >>> http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/12/climate-docs-lead-to-investigations-at-cru-penn-state.ars >> Thanks for the new link. However, the information in there isn't totally >> new, some of it was actually printed in our rather liberal-leaning daily >> (Sacramento Bee). But only as a little news flash tucked away somewhere. >> As your article said, scientific reviews can drone on forever. However, >> now that the stuff has leaked out policy makers will likely tread a lot >> more careful when it comes to AGW-related measures. Because they must >> keep in mind what their constituent's opinions are, no matter whether >> justified or not. And there has been a change, big time. > > I merely thought an investigation on the one hand was likely. It was. > And started quite soon. > It had to. Too much visible egg in the faces to sweep this one under the rug. > On the rest, as with ANY policy issue in a democracy, politicians must > deal with public opinion. That goes without saying. Doesn't change > physics, but where the gas pedal is ultimately held affects whether or > not an impending car crash into the proverbial brick wall happens at > 120 kph or 10 kph. A lot more is often learned by smashing things up, > I admit, than not. ;) It's going to be interesting and educational, > if perhaps a bit unpleasant to some if enough less is done than more > of what should have been. (Can the last half of that last sentence > even be expressed in German? hehe. I am struggling with how. :) > You it can be, the whole sentence would sound like this: Es wird fuer einige interessant und lehrreich, vielleicht ein wenig unangenehm sein, wenn zuviel unterlassen als mehr von dem getan wird, was haette getan werden sollen. Ok, can't do the umlauts on this here computation machine. Sounds almost like an IEEE publication where complicated sentence structures are often "en vogue". More often than not ... :-) -- Regards, Joerg http://www.analogconsultants.com/ "gmail" domain blocked because of excessive spam. Use another domain or send PM.
From: John Larkin on 4 Dec 2009 14:48 It's snowing in Houston: http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl//6750042.html John
From: Jon Kirwan on 4 Dec 2009 14:49
On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 11:01:58 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >Jon Kirwan wrote: >> On Fri, 04 Dec 2009 09:12:00 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >> wrote: >> >>> Jon Kirwan wrote: >>>> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 18:57:44 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Jon Kirwan wrote: >>>>>> On Thu, 03 Dec 2009 17:28:30 -0800, Joerg <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Jon Kirwan wrote: >>>>>>>> On Wed, 02 Dec 2009 14:16:02 -0800, I wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> JK: "I don't know what you'd hope to achieve, either >>>>>>>>>>> way. An investigation to investigate what, exactly? The people or >>>>>>>>>>> the science? ..." >>>>>>>>>> Joerg: "Both." >>>>>>>>> JK: ":) I suspect one will happen, but not the other." >>>>>>>> Well, there it is... as I said would probably happen: >>>>>>>> http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iqu3xuECR-sjSZpzuNRssHo7fs2wD9CC31SO0 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I had figured it would be about this quick. >>>>>>> But what does he have to do with the leaked emails from East Anglia? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> <scratching head> >>>>>> I'm scratching my head, too. This is the "University of East Anglia" >>>>>> which is at Norwich, UK, as I understand it. The Climatic Research >>>>>> Unit (CRU) we talked about earlier is there, isn't it? >>>>>> >>>>> Yeah, but your link is about Georgia's house speaker resigning. That's >>>>> around 4000 miles from Norwich, UK :-) >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/nov/20/climate-sceptics-hackers-leaked-emails >>>>>> http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/cif-green/2009/nov/23/leaked-email-climate-change >>>>>> >>>>> That's pretty old news there. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> Did I miss something? It's possible. Let me know. >>>>>> >>>>> No, just what is it that happened where your said it probably would >>>>> happen? Jones stepping down for a while? He almost had to. >>>> Thanks, Joerg. Somehow I got the wrong link, I think. I don't even >>>> know where that darned thing came from!! My apologies. >>>> >>>> Try: >>>> http://arstechnica.com/science/news/2009/12/climate-docs-lead-to-investigations-at-cru-penn-state.ars >>> Thanks for the new link. However, the information in there isn't totally >>> new, some of it was actually printed in our rather liberal-leaning daily >>> (Sacramento Bee). But only as a little news flash tucked away somewhere. >>> As your article said, scientific reviews can drone on forever. However, >>> now that the stuff has leaked out policy makers will likely tread a lot >>> more careful when it comes to AGW-related measures. Because they must >>> keep in mind what their constituent's opinions are, no matter whether >>> justified or not. And there has been a change, big time. >> >> I merely thought an investigation on the one hand was likely. It was. >> And started quite soon. >> > >It had to. Too much visible egg in the faces to sweep this one under the >rug. > > >> On the rest, as with ANY policy issue in a democracy, politicians must >> deal with public opinion. That goes without saying. Doesn't change >> physics, but where the gas pedal is ultimately held affects whether or >> not an impending car crash into the proverbial brick wall happens at >> 120 kph or 10 kph. A lot more is often learned by smashing things up, >> I admit, than not. ;) It's going to be interesting and educational, >> if perhaps a bit unpleasant to some if enough less is done than more >> of what should have been. (Can the last half of that last sentence >> even be expressed in German? hehe. I am struggling with how. :) >> > >You it can be, the whole sentence would sound like this: Es wird fuer >einige interessant und lehrreich, vielleicht ein wenig unangenehm sein, >wenn zuviel unterlassen als mehr von dem getan wird, was haette getan >werden sollen. Thanks, J�rg. Adjectives like lehrreich and interessant are first year german. But that last part... I might cobble up something similar if I struggled, tossing stuff to the end and attempting conjugations. But I'm sure whatever I made would have the order or some other facet wrong... so I couldn't correctly produce it!! I appreciate the helpful hand, here. >Ok, can't do the umlauts on this here computation machine. Sounds almost >like an IEEE publication where complicated sentence structures are often >"en vogue". More often than not ... :-) Oh, just insert the 'e'. I think the key shortcuts are something like (not all of these are used in German, are they?): >: alt+0228 � >: alt+0196 � >: alt+0235 � >: alt+0203 � >: alt+0239 � >: alt+0207 � >: alt+0246 � >: alt+0214 � >: alt+0252 � >: alt+0220 � >: alt+0255 � >: alt+0223 � and the umlaut itself is just: >: alt+0168 � I keep a shorter list of the more useful seven on a piece of tyvek near the screen. I think there is also free software that will do this stuff, fancier, on an English keyboard. But it is just another tool you have to drag around onto other machines, so I don't bother with the stuff. Jon |