From: Jan Panteltje on
On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:10:31 -0800) it happened Joerg
<invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in <7mr3a8F3jab6eU3(a)mid.individual.net>:

>> One can wonder what the real truth is, about temperature, and then again about
>> what causes it, you know there were, and will be, ice ages, nobody
>> was having coal plants in the previous one to create CO2 (in the Netherlands they now want to store the CO2
>> in the ground under my house almost), so, all feeble science.
>
>
>Time to sell? Once this sort of "project" has moved along far enough you
>might not be able to, for the price you'd want.


Could be, I already looked up if CO2 was heavier then air (it is):
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090611040945AAPt3oV
else it would be very dangerous to live here.
But some geological processes could push it upwards, you would get suffocated in your sleep,
nowhere to run, even if you found out what was happening.
CO2 detector, oxygen equipment, fast car or helicopter, and you MAY have a chance :-)
It is an idiotic idea, the greenies create things that are more dangerous then what the want to fight.
Like more people die in coal mining in one year _an other 30 or so in China today_ then in all nuclear accidents that ever happened,
that is why the greenies are against nuke power??? And nuke power makes no CO2.
It is, as opposed to Bill's constant insulting of others by suggesting they have
no scientific understanding or education, the most *stupid* little greenies club that does this over and over
again, manipulated by energy haters like Gore.
If it was for the greenies we would all be living in grass shacks without heating and eating grass too.

From: Joerg on
Jan Panteltje wrote:
> On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:10:31 -0800) it happened Joerg
> <invalid(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in <7mr3a8F3jab6eU3(a)mid.individual.net>:
>
>>> One can wonder what the real truth is, about temperature, and then again about
>>> what causes it, you know there were, and will be, ice ages, nobody
>>> was having coal plants in the previous one to create CO2 (in the Netherlands they now want to store the CO2
>>> in the ground under my house almost), so, all feeble science.
>>
>> Time to sell? Once this sort of "project" has moved along far enough you
>> might not be able to, for the price you'd want.
>
>
> Could be, I already looked up if CO2 was heavier then air (it is):
> http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090611040945AAPt3oV
> else it would be very dangerous to live here.
> But some geological processes could push it upwards, you would get suffocated in your sleep,
> nowhere to run, even if you found out what was happening.
> CO2 detector, oxygen equipment, fast car or helicopter, and you MAY have a chance :-)


If for some reason pressure shifts down there and a bubble gets pushed
up you may not have time to start the turbo-shaft engine in your
helicopter. Besides you sitting there slumped over the controls, it also
needs some oxygen to work.


> It is an idiotic idea, the greenies create things that are more dangerous then what the want to fight.
> Like more people die in coal mining in one year _an other 30 or so in China today_ then in all nuclear accidents that ever happened,
> that is why the greenies are against nuke power??? And nuke power makes no CO2.


The topper was a guy in a Hawkwer business jet, had to call a missed
approach at Beijing airport. The weather was fine but he could not see
the runway at decision height. Because of the smog ...


> It is, as opposed to Bill's constant insulting of others by suggesting they have
> no scientific understanding or education, the most *stupid* little greenies club that does this over and over
> again, manipulated by energy haters like Gore.
> If it was for the greenies we would all be living in grass shacks without heating and eating grass too.
>

But they'd keep on driving their Volvos :-)

--
Regards, Joerg

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From: John Larkin on
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:54:05 GMT, Jan Panteltje
<pNaonStpealmtje(a)yahoo.com> wrote:

>The global warming hoax revealed:
> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?partner=rss&emc=rss
>
><Quote from that article>
>This shows these are people willing to bend rules and
>go after other people's reputations in very serious ways,' he said. Spencer
>R. Weart, a physicist and historian who is charting the course of research
>on global warming, said the hacked material would serve as 'great material
>for historians.'
><end quote>
>
>LOL.
>Some science!
>
>And that in a leftist newspaper!
>


http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125883405294859215.html?mod=googlenews_wsj


"In several of the emails, climate researchers discussed how to
arrange for favorable reviewers for papers they planned to publish in
scientific journals. At the same time, climate researchers at times
appeared to pressure scientific journals not to publish research by
other scientists whose findings they disagreed with."



Some good stuff here:

http://blogs.news.com.au/heraldsun/andrewbolt/index.php/heraldsun/comments/hadley_hacked/

" The other paper by MM is just garbage � as you knew. De Freitas
again. Pielke is also losing all credibility as well by replying to
the mad Finn as well � frequently as I see it. I can�t see either of
these papers being in the next IPCC report. K and I will keep them out
somehow � even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature
is ! "


John



From: John Fields on
On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 11:46:02 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman
<bill.sloman(a)ieee.org> wrote:

>On Nov 21, 7:03�pm, Raveninghorde <raveninghorde(a)invalid> wrote:
>> On Sat, 21 Nov 2009 05:53:00 -0800 (PST), dagmargoodb...(a)yahoo.com
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> >On Nov 21, 6:54�am, Jan Panteltje <pNaonStpealm...(a)yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >> The global warming hoax revealed:
>> >> �http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/science/earth/21climate.html?partne...
>>
>> >> <Quote from that article>
>> >> This shows these are people willing to bend rules and
>> >> go after other people's reputations in very serious ways,' he said. Spencer
>> >> R. Weart, a physicist and historian who is charting the course of research
>> >> on global warming, said the hacked material would serve as 'great material
>> >> for historians.'
>> >> <end quote>
>>
>> >> LOL.
>> >> Some science!
>>
>> >> And that in a leftist newspaper!
>>
>> >Summary:
>> >http://doctorbulldog.wordpress.com/2009/11/20/the-telegraph-picks-up-...
>>
>> >Details:
>> >http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/19/breaking-news-story-hadley-cru-...
>>
>> And a search engine for CRU emails
>>
>> www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/- Hide quoted text -
>
>Ravinghorde is going to be even more of a nuisance than he is at the
>moment.
>
>His ignorance is such that he regularly quotes real scientific papers
>to support arguments that they actively contradict.
>
>Given a bunch of private e-mails that he can quote out of context, he
>can be predicted to find "evidence" for life-time's worth of insane
>conspiracy theories.

---
Interesting.

The sky is falling around the doom and gloom boys, and especially around
that insufferable fatass Al Gore leech, and you're still kissing their
asses because you don't want to admit that you were blinded by their
bullshit "science".

But it's not really your fault, poor baby, and because you don't know
enough about it to allow you to make objective decisions about the
conclusions come to by your suicidols, you then tie in with them since
they're a bunch of crooks who talk the same language you do.

JF
From: Bill Sloman on
On Nov 21, 11:41 pm, Joerg <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote:
> Jan Panteltje wrote:
> > On a sunny day (Sat, 21 Nov 2009 13:10:31 -0800) it happened Joerg
> > <inva...(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in <7mr3a8F3jab6...(a)mid.individual.net>:
>
> >>> One can wonder what the real truth is, about temperature, and then again about
> >>> what causes it, you know there were, and will be, ice ages, nobody
> >>> was having coal plants in the previous one to create CO2 (in the Netherlands they now want to store the CO2
> >>> in the ground under my house almost), so, all feeble science.
>
> >> Time to sell? Once this sort of "project" has moved along far enough you
> >> might not be able to, for the price you'd want.
>
> > Could be, I already looked up if CO2 was heavier then air (it is):
> >  http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090611040945AAPt3oV
> > else it would be very dangerous to live here.
> > But some geological processes could push it upwards, you would get suffocated in your sleep,
> > nowhere to run, even if you found out what was happening.
> > CO2 detector, oxygen equipment, fast car or helicopter, and you MAY have a chance :-)
>
> If for some reason pressure shifts down there and a bubble gets pushed
> up you may not have time to start the turbo-shaft engine in your
> helicopter. Besides you sitting there slumped over the controls, it also
> needs some oxygen to work.

Of course, if this were likely to happen, Barendrecht would have
vanished in a giant fireball sometime in the last few thousand years,
when the - now exhausted - natural gas field under the town had pushed
a bubble of natural gas up to the surface.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5i0gwwjN8hkEa1SyfHo_b7LhZ3z2A

<snipped the rest of the idiot anxieties>

--
Bill Sloman, Nijmgen
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