Ping Bil Slowman; The global warming hoax reveiled
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From: ChrisQ on 23 Nov 2009 06:06 John Larkin wrote: > > Because they respect the scientific method? Because they honor truth? > At last, a clear voice amongst all the noise :-). > > I thought they were obliged to publish their actual measured results, > not cherry-picked or outright fudged data. > > Apparently not. > > John > If the work is publicly funded, then it should be available to any interested party. Apparently not though, which begs the question, why ?. What are they trying to hide ?. Otoh, just suppose that some western governments wanted to reduce dependence on fossil fuel for strategic / national security reasons. What scam could they come up with to justify the tremendous sacrifices required from the voters ?. It's a win win situation as well. When the earth doesn't turn to toast, they can say they were right, the sacrifices were worth it and everyone will be thankfull and praise various graven images :-)...... Regards, Chris
From: Bill Sloman on 23 Nov 2009 07:12 On Nov 23, 12:06 pm, ChrisQ <m...(a)devnull.com> wrote: > John Larkin wrote: > > > Because they respect the scientific method? Because they honor truth? > > At last, a clear voice amongst all the noise :-). > > > > > I thought they were obliged to publish their actual measured results, > > not cherry-picked or outright fudged data. > > > Apparently not. > > > John > > If the work is publicly funded, then it should be available to any > interested party. Apparently not though, which begs the question, why ?. > What are they trying to hide ?. I've answered this question before. Researchers publish their data in the peer-reviewed scientific literature. They do a lot of work on the raw data to make it accessible and understandable. If a third party wants access to the raw data, the researchers have to a do a lot more work to provide a user-friendly interface that lets these third parties make sense of the raw data, and in the process they make it easier for other scientists to take advantage of the pick and shovel work that they have done to build up their position in their area. All of this means that researchers aren't trying to hide their raw data - they are just trying to avoid having to put in a lot of work that won't advance them in their field, and will allow others to advance themselves at their expense. > Otoh, just suppose that some western governments wanted to reduce > dependence on fossil fuel for strategic / national security reasons. > What scam could they come up with to justify the tremendous sacrifices > required from the voters? They'd have had to have started early. Anthropogenic global warming was first hypothesised around a century ago. http://www.aip.org/history/climate/ >It's a win win situation as well. When the > earth doesn't turn to toast, they can say they were right, the > sacrifices were worth it and everyone will be thankfull and praise > various graven images :-)...... Unfortunately the eath is already turning to - rather soggy - toast. Where do you think the remarkably heavy rain that has been falling in the Lake District came from? How come it can suddenly knock over five bridges that had survived a couple of hundred years of British weather? We've only had 0.74 ± 0.18 °C (1.33 ± 0.32 °F) of warming so far, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_warming but there's no way we can avoid this getting up to 2°C over the next century, beyond which we have to start worrying about methane clathrates coming apart, which could offer us a chance to enjoy an re- run of the Paleocene-Eocene Thermal Maximum http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paleocene%E2%80%93Eocene_Thermal_Maximum Some human beings might survive such an excursion, but our current civilisation would be toast, and there'd be a pretty spectacular population crash. -- Bill Sloman, Nijmegen
From: Jan Panteltje on 23 Nov 2009 07:49 On a sunny day (Sun, 22 Nov 2009 15:36:28 -0800 (PST)) it happened Bill Sloman <bill.sloman(a)ieee.org> wrote in <66cb3666-675c-447c-949d-eb6e666ffcab(a)h10g2000vbm.googlegroups.com>: Climate warming ice age: http://www.world-mysteries.com/alignments/mpl_al3b.htm http://www.sci.ccny.cuny.edu/~stan/d_clim.pdf As Joerg pointed out: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lake_Nyos Idiot.
From: Don Klipstein on 23 Nov 2009 11:23 In <16f3e1ab-eafe-4837-bb21-3b3ff93ae361(a)f10g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>, Bill Sloman wrote in large part: >On Nov 23, 12:06�pm, ChrisQ <m...(a)devnull.com> wrote: >> If the work is publicly funded, then it should be available to any >> interested party. Apparently not though, which begs the question, why ?. >> What are they trying to hide ?. > >I've answered this question before. Researchers publish their data in >the peer-reviewed scientific literature. They do a lot of work on the >raw data to make it accessible and understandable. If a third party >wants access to the raw data, the researchers have to a do a lot more >work to provide a user-friendly interface that lets these third >parties make sense of the raw data, and in the process they make it >easier for other scientists to take advantage of the pick and shovel >work that they have done to build up their position in their area. > >All of this means that researchers aren't trying to hide their raw >data - they are just trying to avoid having to put in a lot of work >that won't advance them in their field, and will allow others to >advance themselves at their expense. I thought someone mentioned in a previous thread an answer to this, often already done: Publish the raw data with some time delay, such as a year, after what it was used for was published. - Don Klipstein (don(a)misty.com)
From: John Larkin on 23 Nov 2009 11:43
On Mon, 23 Nov 2009 04:12:23 -0800 (PST), Bill Sloman <bill.sloman(a)ieee.org> wrote: >On Nov 23, 12:06�pm, ChrisQ <m...(a)devnull.com> wrote: >> John Larkin wrote: >> >> > Because they respect the scientific method? Because they honor truth? >> >> At last, a clear voice amongst all the noise :-). >> >> >> >> > I thought they were obliged to publish their actual measured results, >> > not cherry-picked or outright fudged data. >> >> > Apparently not. >> >> > John >> >> If the work is publicly funded, then it should be available to any >> interested party. Apparently not though, which begs the question, why ?. >> What are they trying to hide ?. > >I've answered this question before. Researchers publish their data in >the peer-reviewed scientific literature. They do a lot of work on the >raw data to make it accessible and understandable. If a third party >wants access to the raw data, the researchers have to a do a lot more >work to provide a user-friendly interface that lets these third >parties make sense of the raw data, and in the process they make it >easier for other scientists to take advantage of the pick and shovel >work that they have done to build up their position in their area. > >All of this means that researchers aren't trying to hide their raw >data - they are just trying to avoid having to put in a lot of work >that won't advance them in their field, and will allow others to >advance themselves at their expense. > >> Otoh, just suppose that some western governments wanted to reduce >> dependence on fossil fuel for strategic / national security reasons. >> What scam could they come up with to justify the tremendous sacrifices >> required from the voters? > >They'd have had to have started early. Anthropogenic global warming >was first hypothesised around a century ago. > >http://www.aip.org/history/climate/ > >>It's a win win situation as well. When the >> earth doesn't turn to toast, they can say they were right, the >> sacrifices were worth it and everyone will be thankfull and praise >> various graven images :-)...... > >Unfortunately the eath is already turning to - rather soggy - toast. >Where do you think the remarkably heavy rain that has been falling in >the Lake District came from? How come it can suddenly knock over five >bridges that had survived a couple of hundred years of British >weather? So now you are using local weather events as proof of climate change. So what do you make of the recent record-setting cold snaps across the USA? Geez, I'm sure glad you don't design electronics. Stick to obsessing about climate; that will keep you from doing much real harm. John |