Proton Radius Cannot Be Derived From Standard Model
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From: BURT on 23 May 2010 17:07 On May 23, 2:00 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 23, 4:57 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > There is more than one wave in light. Light is both a magnetic wave at > > angles to an electric wave. Light is dual. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > What part of "The magnetic and electric FIELDS of AN electromagnetic > wave...of THE wave" are you incapable of understanding? > > http://science.hq.nasa.gov/kids/imagers/ems/waves2.html > > "Electromagnetic waves are formed when an electric field (shown as > blue arrows) couples with a magnetic field (shown as red arrows). The > magnetic and electric fields of an electromagnetic wave are > perpendicular to each other and to the direction of the wave." > > ...of AN electromagnetic wave...and to the direction of THE wave. > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of AN electromagnetic > wave. > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > In a double slit experiment with photons, why is the interference > pattern built up over time based upon individual registrations? > > In a double slit experiment with photons, if there is no 'particle' > associated with the photon wave, then why isn't the interference > pattern created similar to an ocean wave hitting the shore? > > http://www.fas.harvard.edu/scidemos/QuantumRelativity/SinglePhotonInt... > SinglePhotonInterference.html > > "Rather than the usual screen, the arrival of individual photons is > registered and stored electronically. This alone is evidence for the > graininess or particle nature of light." > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > You still have not answered the question. > > Are you refuting your own statements? > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'. > > "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. > The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single > path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit > experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle > enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and > creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' > travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > wave and there is no interference. > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of the photon wave > and travels a single path. Light is dual. It is an electric wave at right angles to a magnetic wave. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 23 May 2010 17:45 On May 23, 5:07 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On May 23, 2:00 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 23, 4:57 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > There is more than one wave in light. Light is both a magnetic wave at > > > angles to an electric wave. Light is dual. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > What part of "The magnetic and electric FIELDS of AN electromagnetic > > wave...of THE wave" are you incapable of understanding? > > >http://science.hq.nasa.gov/kids/imagers/ems/waves2.html > > > "Electromagnetic waves are formed when an electric field (shown as > > blue arrows) couples with a magnetic field (shown as red arrows). The > > magnetic and electric fields of an electromagnetic wave are > > perpendicular to each other and to the direction of the wave." > > > ...of AN electromagnetic wave...and to the direction of THE wave. > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of AN electromagnetic > > wave. > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > > In a double slit experiment with photons, why is the interference > > pattern built up over time based upon individual registrations? > > > In a double slit experiment with photons, if there is no 'particle' > > associated with the photon wave, then why isn't the interference > > pattern created similar to an ocean wave hitting the shore? > > >http://www.fas.harvard.edu/scidemos/QuantumRelativity/SinglePhotonInt... > > SinglePhotonInterference.html > > > "Rather than the usual screen, the arrival of individual photons is > > registered and stored electronically. This alone is evidence for the > > graininess or particle nature of light." > > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > > You still have not answered the question. > > > Are you refuting your own statements? > > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'. > > > "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. > > The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single > > path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit > > experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle > > enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and > > creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' > > travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > > wave and there is no interference. > > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of the photon wave > > and travels a single path. > > Light is dual. It is an electric wave at right angles to a magnetic > wave. > > Mitch Raemsch If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" which wave oscillates into mass? If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state " "Light ... is ... small particle" which of the light waves is the small particle? If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state ""Light collapsing into ... particle" which wave collapses into a particle. If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state "Oscillating into ... particle" which wave oscillates into a particle? What part of "The magnetic and electric FIELDS of AN electromagnetic wave...of THE wave" are you incapable of understanding? http://science.hq.nasa.gov/kids/imagers/ems/waves2.html "Electromagnetic waves are formed when an electric field (shown as blue arrows) couples with a magnetic field (shown as red arrows). The magnetic and electric fields of an electromagnetic wave are perpendicular to each other and to the direction of the wave." ....of AN electromagnetic wave...and to the direction of THE wave. The 'particle' occupies a very small region of AN electromagnetic wave. The 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. In a double slit experiment with photons, why is the interference pattern built up over time based upon individual registrations? In a double slit experiment with photons, if there is no 'particle' associated with the photon wave, then why isn't the interference pattern created similar to an ocean wave hitting the shore? http://www.fas.harvard.edu/scidemos/QuantumRelativity/SinglePhotonInt... SinglePhotonInterference.html "Rather than the usual screen, the arrival of individual photons is registered and stored electronically. This alone is evidence for the graininess or particle nature of light." The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. You still have not answered the question. Are you refuting your own statements? "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'. "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated wave and there is no interference. The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of the photon wave and travels a single path.
From: BURT on 23 May 2010 18:07 On May 23, 2:45 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 23, 5:07 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 23, 2:00 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On May 23, 4:57 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > There is more than one wave in light. Light is both a magnetic wave at > > > > angles to an electric wave. Light is dual. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > What part of "The magnetic and electric FIELDS of AN electromagnetic > > > wave...of THE wave" are you incapable of understanding? > > > >http://science.hq.nasa.gov/kids/imagers/ems/waves2.html > > > > "Electromagnetic waves are formed when an electric field (shown as > > > blue arrows) couples with a magnetic field (shown as red arrows). The > > > magnetic and electric fields of an electromagnetic wave are > > > perpendicular to each other and to the direction of the wave." > > > > ...of AN electromagnetic wave...and to the direction of THE wave. > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of AN electromagnetic > > > wave. > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > > > In a double slit experiment with photons, why is the interference > > > pattern built up over time based upon individual registrations? > > > > In a double slit experiment with photons, if there is no 'particle' > > > associated with the photon wave, then why isn't the interference > > > pattern created similar to an ocean wave hitting the shore? > > > >http://www.fas.harvard.edu/scidemos/QuantumRelativity/SinglePhotonInt.... > > > SinglePhotonInterference.html > > > > "Rather than the usual screen, the arrival of individual photons is > > > registered and stored electronically. This alone is evidence for the > > > graininess or particle nature of light." > > > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > > > You still have not answered the question. > > > > Are you refuting your own statements? > > > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > > experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. > > > The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single > > > path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit > > > experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle > > > enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and > > > creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' > > > travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > > > wave and there is no interference. > > > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of the photon wave > > > and travels a single path. > > > Light is dual. It is an electric wave at right angles to a magnetic > > wave. > > > Mitch Raemsch > > If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" which wave oscillates into > mass? > > If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state " > "Light ... is ... small particle" which of the light waves is the > small particle? > > If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state > ""Light collapsing into ... particle" which wave collapses into a > particle. > > If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state > "Oscillating into ... particle" which wave oscillates into a particle? > > What part of "The magnetic and electric FIELDS of AN electromagnetic > wave...of THE wave" are you incapable of understanding? > > http://science.hq.nasa.gov/kids/imagers/ems/waves2.html > > "Electromagnetic waves are formed when an electric field (shown as > blue arrows) couples with a magnetic field (shown as red arrows). The > magnetic and electric fields of an electromagnetic wave are > perpendicular to each other and to the direction of the wave." > > ...of AN electromagnetic wave...and to the direction of THE wave. > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of AN electromagnetic > wave. > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > In a double slit experiment with photons, why is the interference > pattern built up over time based upon individual registrations? > > In a double slit experiment with photons, if there is no 'particle' > associated with the photon wave, then why isn't the interference > pattern created similar to an ocean wave hitting the shore? > > http://www.fas.harvard.edu/scidemos/QuantumRelativity/SinglePhotonInt... > SinglePhotonInterference.html > > "Rather than the usual screen, the arrival of individual photons is > registered and stored electronically. This alone is evidence for the > graininess or particle nature of light." > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > You still have not answered the question. > > Are you refuting your own statements? > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'. > > "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. > The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single > path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit > experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle > enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and > creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' > travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > wave and there is no interference. > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of the photon wave > and travels a single path.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - Light is a dual wave that collapses into electric particles which are infinitely small. Only the electric wave carries energy. Light's electric field energy is absorbed. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 23 May 2010 18:18 On May 23, 6:07 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On May 23, 2:45 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 23, 5:07 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On May 23, 2:00 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 23, 4:57 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > There is more than one wave in light. Light is both a magnetic wave at > > > > > angles to an electric wave. Light is dual. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > What part of "The magnetic and electric FIELDS of AN electromagnetic > > > > wave...of THE wave" are you incapable of understanding? > > > > >http://science.hq.nasa.gov/kids/imagers/ems/waves2.html > > > > > "Electromagnetic waves are formed when an electric field (shown as > > > > blue arrows) couples with a magnetic field (shown as red arrows). The > > > > magnetic and electric fields of an electromagnetic wave are > > > > perpendicular to each other and to the direction of the wave." > > > > > ...of AN electromagnetic wave...and to the direction of THE wave. > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of AN electromagnetic > > > > wave. > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > > > > In a double slit experiment with photons, why is the interference > > > > pattern built up over time based upon individual registrations? > > > > > In a double slit experiment with photons, if there is no 'particle' > > > > associated with the photon wave, then why isn't the interference > > > > pattern created similar to an ocean wave hitting the shore? > > > > >http://www.fas.harvard.edu/scidemos/QuantumRelativity/SinglePhotonInt... > > > > SinglePhotonInterference.html > > > > > "Rather than the usual screen, the arrival of individual photons is > > > > registered and stored electronically. This alone is evidence for the > > > > graininess or particle nature of light." > > > > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > > > > You still have not answered the question. > > > > > Are you refuting your own statements? > > > > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'.. > > > > > "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > > > experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. > > > > The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single > > > > path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit > > > > experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle > > > > enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and > > > > creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' > > > > travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > > > > wave and there is no interference. > > > > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of the photon wave > > > > and travels a single path. > > > > Light is dual. It is an electric wave at right angles to a magnetic > > > wave. > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" which wave oscillates into > > mass? > > > If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state " > > "Light ... is ... small particle" which of the light waves is the > > small particle? > > > If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state > > ""Light collapsing into ... particle" which wave collapses into a > > particle. > > > If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state > > "Oscillating into ... particle" which wave oscillates into a particle? > > > What part of "The magnetic and electric FIELDS of AN electromagnetic > > wave...of THE wave" are you incapable of understanding? > > >http://science.hq.nasa.gov/kids/imagers/ems/waves2.html > > > "Electromagnetic waves are formed when an electric field (shown as > > blue arrows) couples with a magnetic field (shown as red arrows). The > > magnetic and electric fields of an electromagnetic wave are > > perpendicular to each other and to the direction of the wave." > > > ...of AN electromagnetic wave...and to the direction of THE wave. > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of AN electromagnetic > > wave. > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > > In a double slit experiment with photons, why is the interference > > pattern built up over time based upon individual registrations? > > > In a double slit experiment with photons, if there is no 'particle' > > associated with the photon wave, then why isn't the interference > > pattern created similar to an ocean wave hitting the shore? > > >http://www.fas.harvard.edu/scidemos/QuantumRelativity/SinglePhotonInt... > > SinglePhotonInterference.html > > > "Rather than the usual screen, the arrival of individual photons is > > registered and stored electronically. This alone is evidence for the > > graininess or particle nature of light." > > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > > You still have not answered the question. > > > Are you refuting your own statements? > > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'. > > > "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. > > The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single > > path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit > > experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle > > enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and > > creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' > > travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > > wave and there is no interference. > > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of the photon wave > > and travels a single path.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > Light is a dual wave that collapses into electric particles A photon "is a ... wave ... that collapses into ... [a particle]". - Correct.
From: mpc755 on 23 May 2010 18:22
On May 23, 6:18 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 23, 6:07 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 23, 2:45 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On May 23, 5:07 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 23, 2:00 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On May 23, 4:57 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > There is more than one wave in light. Light is both a magnetic wave at > > > > > > angles to an electric wave. Light is dual. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > What part of "The magnetic and electric FIELDS of AN electromagnetic > > > > > wave...of THE wave" are you incapable of understanding? > > > > > >http://science.hq.nasa.gov/kids/imagers/ems/waves2.html > > > > > > "Electromagnetic waves are formed when an electric field (shown as > > > > > blue arrows) couples with a magnetic field (shown as red arrows). The > > > > > magnetic and electric fields of an electromagnetic wave are > > > > > perpendicular to each other and to the direction of the wave." > > > > > > ...of AN electromagnetic wave...and to the direction of THE wave. > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of AN electromagnetic > > > > > wave. > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > > > > > In a double slit experiment with photons, why is the interference > > > > > pattern built up over time based upon individual registrations? > > > > > > In a double slit experiment with photons, if there is no 'particle' > > > > > associated with the photon wave, then why isn't the interference > > > > > pattern created similar to an ocean wave hitting the shore? > > > > > >http://www.fas.harvard.edu/scidemos/QuantumRelativity/SinglePhotonInt... > > > > > SinglePhotonInterference.html > > > > > > "Rather than the usual screen, the arrival of individual photons is > > > > > registered and stored electronically. This alone is evidence for the > > > > > graininess or particle nature of light." > > > > > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > > > > > You still have not answered the question. > > > > > > Are you refuting your own statements? > > > > > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > > "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > > "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > > "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > > > > experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. > > > > > The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single > > > > > path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit > > > > > experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle > > > > > enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and > > > > > creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' > > > > > travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > > > > > wave and there is no interference. > > > > > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of the photon wave > > > > > and travels a single path. > > > > > Light is dual. It is an electric wave at right angles to a magnetic > > > > wave. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state > > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" which wave oscillates into > > > mass? > > > > If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state " > > > "Light ... is ... small particle" which of the light waves is the > > > small particle? > > > > If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state > > > ""Light collapsing into ... particle" which wave collapses into a > > > particle. > > > > If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state > > > "Oscillating into ... particle" which wave oscillates into a particle? > > > > What part of "The magnetic and electric FIELDS of AN electromagnetic > > > wave...of THE wave" are you incapable of understanding? > > > >http://science.hq.nasa.gov/kids/imagers/ems/waves2.html > > > > "Electromagnetic waves are formed when an electric field (shown as > > > blue arrows) couples with a magnetic field (shown as red arrows). The > > > magnetic and electric fields of an electromagnetic wave are > > > perpendicular to each other and to the direction of the wave." > > > > ...of AN electromagnetic wave...and to the direction of THE wave. > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of AN electromagnetic > > > wave. > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > > > In a double slit experiment with photons, why is the interference > > > pattern built up over time based upon individual registrations? > > > > In a double slit experiment with photons, if there is no 'particle' > > > associated with the photon wave, then why isn't the interference > > > pattern created similar to an ocean wave hitting the shore? > > > >http://www.fas.harvard.edu/scidemos/QuantumRelativity/SinglePhotonInt.... > > > SinglePhotonInterference.html > > > > "Rather than the usual screen, the arrival of individual photons is > > > registered and stored electronically. This alone is evidence for the > > > graininess or particle nature of light." > > > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > > > You still have not answered the question. > > > > Are you refuting your own statements? > > > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > > experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. > > > The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single > > > path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit > > > experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle > > > enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and > > > creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' > > > travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > > > wave and there is no interference. > > > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of the photon wave > > > and travels a single path.- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > Light is a dual wave that collapses into electric particles > > A photon "is a ... wave ... that collapses into ... [a particle]". - > Correct. The particle occupies a very small region of the wave. The particle is not infinitely small. The particle is a quantum of mæther. |