Proton Radius Cannot Be Derived From Standard Model
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From: mpc755 on 23 May 2010 18:24 On May 23, 6:22 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 23, 6:18 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 23, 6:07 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On May 23, 2:45 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 23, 5:07 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On May 23, 2:00 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 23, 4:57 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > There is more than one wave in light. Light is both a magnetic wave at > > > > > > > angles to an electric wave. Light is dual. > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > What part of "The magnetic and electric FIELDS of AN electromagnetic > > > > > > wave...of THE wave" are you incapable of understanding? > > > > > > >http://science.hq.nasa.gov/kids/imagers/ems/waves2.html > > > > > > > "Electromagnetic waves are formed when an electric field (shown as > > > > > > blue arrows) couples with a magnetic field (shown as red arrows). The > > > > > > magnetic and electric fields of an electromagnetic wave are > > > > > > perpendicular to each other and to the direction of the wave." > > > > > > > ...of AN electromagnetic wave...and to the direction of THE wave. > > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of AN electromagnetic > > > > > > wave. > > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > > > > > > In a double slit experiment with photons, why is the interference > > > > > > pattern built up over time based upon individual registrations? > > > > > > > In a double slit experiment with photons, if there is no 'particle' > > > > > > associated with the photon wave, then why isn't the interference > > > > > > pattern created similar to an ocean wave hitting the shore? > > > > > > >http://www.fas.harvard.edu/scidemos/QuantumRelativity/SinglePhotonInt... > > > > > > SinglePhotonInterference.html > > > > > > > "Rather than the usual screen, the arrival of individual photons is > > > > > > registered and stored electronically. This alone is evidence for the > > > > > > graininess or particle nature of light." > > > > > > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > > > > > > You still have not answered the question. > > > > > > > Are you refuting your own statements? > > > > > > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > > > "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > > > "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > > > "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > > > > > experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. > > > > > > The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single > > > > > > path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit > > > > > > experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle > > > > > > enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and > > > > > > creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' > > > > > > travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > > > > > > wave and there is no interference. > > > > > > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of the photon wave > > > > > > and travels a single path. > > > > > > Light is dual. It is an electric wave at right angles to a magnetic > > > > > wave. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state > > > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" which wave oscillates into > > > > mass? > > > > > If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state " > > > > "Light ... is ... small particle" which of the light waves is the > > > > small particle? > > > > > If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state > > > > ""Light collapsing into ... particle" which wave collapses into a > > > > particle. > > > > > If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state > > > > "Oscillating into ... particle" which wave oscillates into a particle? > > > > > What part of "The magnetic and electric FIELDS of AN electromagnetic > > > > wave...of THE wave" are you incapable of understanding? > > > > >http://science.hq.nasa.gov/kids/imagers/ems/waves2.html > > > > > "Electromagnetic waves are formed when an electric field (shown as > > > > blue arrows) couples with a magnetic field (shown as red arrows). The > > > > magnetic and electric fields of an electromagnetic wave are > > > > perpendicular to each other and to the direction of the wave." > > > > > ...of AN electromagnetic wave...and to the direction of THE wave. > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of AN electromagnetic > > > > wave. > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > > > > In a double slit experiment with photons, why is the interference > > > > pattern built up over time based upon individual registrations? > > > > > In a double slit experiment with photons, if there is no 'particle' > > > > associated with the photon wave, then why isn't the interference > > > > pattern created similar to an ocean wave hitting the shore? > > > > >http://www.fas.harvard.edu/scidemos/QuantumRelativity/SinglePhotonInt... > > > > SinglePhotonInterference.html > > > > > "Rather than the usual screen, the arrival of individual photons is > > > > registered and stored electronically. This alone is evidence for the > > > > graininess or particle nature of light." > > > > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > > > > You still have not answered the question. > > > > > Are you refuting your own statements? > > > > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'.. > > > > > "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > > > experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. > > > > The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single > > > > path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit > > > > experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle > > > > enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and > > > > creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' > > > > travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > > > > wave and there is no interference. > > > > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of the photon wave > > > > and travels a single path.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Light is a dual wave that collapses into electric particles > > > A photon "is a ... wave ... that collapses into ... [a particle]". - > > Correct. > > The particle occupies a very small region of the wave. The particle is > not infinitely small. The particle is a quantum of mæther. My preferred concept is a very small region of the photon wave collapses and is detected as a quantum of mæther. The very small region of the photon wave which collapses and is detected as a quantum of mæther travels a single path.
From: BURT on 23 May 2010 22:08 On May 23, 3:22 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On May 23, 6:18 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 23, 6:07 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > On May 23, 2:45 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 23, 5:07 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > On May 23, 2:00 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 23, 4:57 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > There is more than one wave in light. Light is both a magnetic wave at > > > > > > > angles to an electric wave. Light is dual. > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > What part of "The magnetic and electric FIELDS of AN electromagnetic > > > > > > wave...of THE wave" are you incapable of understanding? > > > > > > >http://science.hq.nasa.gov/kids/imagers/ems/waves2.html > > > > > > > "Electromagnetic waves are formed when an electric field (shown as > > > > > > blue arrows) couples with a magnetic field (shown as red arrows). The > > > > > > magnetic and electric fields of an electromagnetic wave are > > > > > > perpendicular to each other and to the direction of the wave." > > > > > > > ...of AN electromagnetic wave...and to the direction of THE wave. > > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of AN electromagnetic > > > > > > wave. > > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > > > > > > In a double slit experiment with photons, why is the interference > > > > > > pattern built up over time based upon individual registrations? > > > > > > > In a double slit experiment with photons, if there is no 'particle' > > > > > > associated with the photon wave, then why isn't the interference > > > > > > pattern created similar to an ocean wave hitting the shore? > > > > > > >http://www.fas.harvard.edu/scidemos/QuantumRelativity/SinglePhotonInt... > > > > > > SinglePhotonInterference.html > > > > > > > "Rather than the usual screen, the arrival of individual photons is > > > > > > registered and stored electronically. This alone is evidence for the > > > > > > graininess or particle nature of light." > > > > > > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > > > > > > You still have not answered the question. > > > > > > > Are you refuting your own statements? > > > > > > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > > > "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > > > "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > > > "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > > > > > experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. > > > > > > The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single > > > > > > path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit > > > > > > experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle > > > > > > enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and > > > > > > creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' > > > > > > travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > > > > > > wave and there is no interference. > > > > > > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of the photon wave > > > > > > and travels a single path. > > > > > > Light is dual. It is an electric wave at right angles to a magnetic > > > > > wave. > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state > > > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" which wave oscillates into > > > > mass? > > > > > If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state " > > > > "Light ... is ... small particle" which of the light waves is the > > > > small particle? > > > > > If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state > > > > ""Light collapsing into ... particle" which wave collapses into a > > > > particle. > > > > > If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state > > > > "Oscillating into ... particle" which wave oscillates into a particle? > > > > > What part of "The magnetic and electric FIELDS of AN electromagnetic > > > > wave...of THE wave" are you incapable of understanding? > > > > >http://science.hq.nasa.gov/kids/imagers/ems/waves2.html > > > > > "Electromagnetic waves are formed when an electric field (shown as > > > > blue arrows) couples with a magnetic field (shown as red arrows). The > > > > magnetic and electric fields of an electromagnetic wave are > > > > perpendicular to each other and to the direction of the wave." > > > > > ...of AN electromagnetic wave...and to the direction of THE wave. > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of AN electromagnetic > > > > wave. > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > > > > In a double slit experiment with photons, why is the interference > > > > pattern built up over time based upon individual registrations? > > > > > In a double slit experiment with photons, if there is no 'particle' > > > > associated with the photon wave, then why isn't the interference > > > > pattern created similar to an ocean wave hitting the shore? > > > > >http://www.fas.harvard.edu/scidemos/QuantumRelativity/SinglePhotonInt... > > > > SinglePhotonInterference.html > > > > > "Rather than the usual screen, the arrival of individual photons is > > > > registered and stored electronically. This alone is evidence for the > > > > graininess or particle nature of light." > > > > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > > > > You still have not answered the question. > > > > > Are you refuting your own statements? > > > > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'.. > > > > > "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > > > experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. > > > > The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single > > > > path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit > > > > experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle > > > > enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and > > > > creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' > > > > travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > > > > wave and there is no interference. > > > > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of the photon wave > > > > and travels a single path.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > Light is a dual wave that collapses into electric particles > > > A photon "is a ... wave ... that collapses into ... [a particle]". - > > Correct. > > The particle occupies a very small region of the wave. The particle is > not infinitely small. The particle is a quantum of mæther.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - All fundamental particles are infinitely small. Mitch Raemsch
From: mpc755 on 24 May 2010 00:00 On May 23, 10:08 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > On May 23, 3:22 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 23, 6:18 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On May 23, 6:07 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > On May 23, 2:45 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On May 23, 5:07 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On May 23, 2:00 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > On May 23, 4:57 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > > > > > There is more than one wave in light. Light is both a magnetic wave at > > > > > > > > angles to an electric wave. Light is dual. > > > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > > > What part of "The magnetic and electric FIELDS of AN electromagnetic > > > > > > > wave...of THE wave" are you incapable of understanding? > > > > > > > >http://science.hq.nasa.gov/kids/imagers/ems/waves2.html > > > > > > > > "Electromagnetic waves are formed when an electric field (shown as > > > > > > > blue arrows) couples with a magnetic field (shown as red arrows). The > > > > > > > magnetic and electric fields of an electromagnetic wave are > > > > > > > perpendicular to each other and to the direction of the wave." > > > > > > > > ...of AN electromagnetic wave...and to the direction of THE wave. > > > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of AN electromagnetic > > > > > > > wave. > > > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > > > > > > > In a double slit experiment with photons, why is the interference > > > > > > > pattern built up over time based upon individual registrations? > > > > > > > > In a double slit experiment with photons, if there is no 'particle' > > > > > > > associated with the photon wave, then why isn't the interference > > > > > > > pattern created similar to an ocean wave hitting the shore? > > > > > > > >http://www.fas.harvard.edu/scidemos/QuantumRelativity/SinglePhotonInt... > > > > > > > SinglePhotonInterference.html > > > > > > > > "Rather than the usual screen, the arrival of individual photons is > > > > > > > registered and stored electronically. This alone is evidence for the > > > > > > > graininess or particle nature of light." > > > > > > > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > > > > > > > You still have not answered the question. > > > > > > > > Are you refuting your own statements? > > > > > > > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > > > > "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > > > > "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'.. > > > > > > > > "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > > > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > > > > > > experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. > > > > > > > The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single > > > > > > > path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit > > > > > > > experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle > > > > > > > enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and > > > > > > > creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' > > > > > > > travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > > > > > > > wave and there is no interference. > > > > > > > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of the photon wave > > > > > > > and travels a single path. > > > > > > > Light is dual. It is an electric wave at right angles to a magnetic > > > > > > wave. > > > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > > > If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state > > > > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" which wave oscillates into > > > > > mass? > > > > > > If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state " > > > > > "Light ... is ... small particle" which of the light waves is the > > > > > small particle? > > > > > > If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state > > > > > ""Light collapsing into ... particle" which wave collapses into a > > > > > particle. > > > > > > If there are two waves associated with a photon then when you state > > > > > "Oscillating into ... particle" which wave oscillates into a particle? > > > > > > What part of "The magnetic and electric FIELDS of AN electromagnetic > > > > > wave...of THE wave" are you incapable of understanding? > > > > > >http://science.hq.nasa.gov/kids/imagers/ems/waves2.html > > > > > > "Electromagnetic waves are formed when an electric field (shown as > > > > > blue arrows) couples with a magnetic field (shown as red arrows). The > > > > > magnetic and electric fields of an electromagnetic wave are > > > > > perpendicular to each other and to the direction of the wave." > > > > > > ...of AN electromagnetic wave...and to the direction of THE wave. > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of AN electromagnetic > > > > > wave. > > > > > > The 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > > > > > In a double slit experiment with photons, why is the interference > > > > > pattern built up over time based upon individual registrations? > > > > > > In a double slit experiment with photons, if there is no 'particle' > > > > > associated with the photon wave, then why isn't the interference > > > > > pattern created similar to an ocean wave hitting the shore? > > > > > >http://www.fas.harvard.edu/scidemos/QuantumRelativity/SinglePhotonInt... > > > > > SinglePhotonInterference.html > > > > > > "Rather than the usual screen, the arrival of individual photons is > > > > > registered and stored electronically. This alone is evidence for the > > > > > graininess or particle nature of light." > > > > > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of THE wave. > > > > > > You still have not answered the question. > > > > > > Are you refuting your own statements? > > > > > > "light wave ... oscillating into ... mass" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > > "Light ... is ... small particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > > "Light collapsing into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > > "Oscillating into ... particle" is the photon 'particle'. > > > > > > If detectors are placed at the exits to the slits in a double slit > > > > > experiment the 'particle' is always detected exiting a single slit. > > > > > The ability of light to collapse into a particle travels a single > > > > > path. The light wave enters and exits both slits in a double slit > > > > > experiment. The ability of the light to collapse into a particle > > > > > enters and exits a single slit. The light wave exits both slits and > > > > > creates interference which alters the direction the 'particle' > > > > > travels. Detecting the 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated > > > > > wave and there is no interference. > > > > > > The photon 'particle' occupies a very small region of the photon wave > > > > > and travels a single path.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > > - Show quoted text - > > > > > Light is a dual wave that collapses into electric particles > > > > A photon "is a ... wave ... that collapses into ... [a particle]". - > > > Correct. > > > The particle occupies a very small region of the wave. The particle is > > not infinitely small. The particle is a quantum of mæther.- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text - > > All fundamental particles are infinitely small. > > Mitch Raemsch Photons are detected as a quantum of mæther. The photon particle occupies a very small region of the photon wave. In a double slit experiment the photon 'particle' always enters and exits a single slit and the associated photon wave enters and exits both slits. The photon wave creates interference upon exiting the slits which alters the direction the photon 'particle' travels. Detecting the photon 'particle' causes decoherence of the associated photon wave (i.e. turns the wave into chop) and there is no interference.
From: spudnik on 24 May 2010 13:19 yeah, but you don't need the particle, at all; your theory says nothing, at all, either, at least til you attempt to make it do some thing. one way to "check" it, would be to explain permitivity & permeability with the theory, if it is a theory & not just typing & macro-ing practice. > The particle does not interfere with itself. The associated wave exits > the both slits and creates interference which alters the direction the > particle travels. thusNso: being legally enjoined from using the googolplex, what is YUV? thusNso: complainant: there's a series of his books from Cambridge U. Press, paperback, very nice, but they want $45 for the one that I was peruzing at the bookstore! (I think, I'd bought one of these, before, for about $25, although I lost it.) the titles of these seem generally to be a list of three subjects, _This, That and Another Thing_, although also the usual format of several independent essays/chapters. r.i.p., MG. --Pi, the surfer's canonical value -- accept no others! http://wlym.com
From: BURT on 24 May 2010 13:24
On May 24, 10:19 am, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > yeah, but you don't need the particle, at all; > your theory says nothing, at all, either, at least > til you attempt to make it do some thing. > > one way to "check" it, would be to explain permitivity & permeability > with the theory, if it is a theory & not just typing & macro-ing > practice. > > > The particle does not interfere with itself. The associated wave exits > > the both slits and creates interference which alters the direction the > > particle travels. > > thusNso: > being legally enjoined from using the googolplex, > what is YUV? > > thusNso: > complainant: there's a series of his books from Cambridge U. Press, > paperback, very nice, but they want $45 for the one > that I was peruzing at the bookstore! (I think, > I'd bought one of these, before, for about $25, although > I lost it.) > > the titles of these seem generally to be a list > of three subjects, _This, That and Another Thing_, although > also the usual format of several independent essays/chapters. > > r.i.p., MG. > > --Pi, the surfer's canonical value -- accept no others!http://wlym.com Einstein questioned what he won the nobel prize for. In the end he said he could not reconcile the wave of light with a particle. Mitch Raemsch |