Proton Radius Cannot Be Derived From Standard Model
in [Math]
|
From: spudnik on 25 May 2010 16:53 you have slightly misconstrued. the wave-energy seems to be adequately tuned to the electromagnetic property of the atom, and *that* is the "particle" into which it "collapses," not the quantum-called-photon. the photon is nothing but a coinage for a unit of light-energy, as-and-when "detected" by a device or cone of the eye (the rods & cones are "log-spiral antennae" .-) nothing in Planck's analysis requires a rock o'light, and probably not really in Einstein's; so, there. > > > > > > > The solution to the corner you have painted yourself into is simple. > > > > > > > Decide a photon propagates as a wave and is detected as a particle. > > > > > > > That is what you are suggesting in all of your quotes above, > > > > > > > especially: > > > > > > > > "Light collapsing into ... particle". > > > Which is a very small region of the photon "wave collapses into the > > > particle" is the photon 'particle'. --Pi, the surfer's canonical value -- accept no other! http://wlym.com
From: mpc755 on 25 May 2010 19:20 On May 25, 4:53 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > you have slightly misconstrued. the wave-energy seems > to be adequately tuned to the electromagnetic property > of the atom, and *that* is the "particle" > into which it "collapses," not the quantum-called-photon. > However you want to try and describe it without using the term 'particle' that is exactly what you are describing. In your following quote, what you are describing is the photon 'particle': "the wave of light travels through both slits, whence it recombines through constructive interference, and collapses as a single quantum" The photon wave travels through both slits. The ability of the photon wave to collapse and be detected as a single quantum occupies a very small region of the wave and travels a single path.
From: spudnik on 25 May 2010 22:08 no, no, no. the molecule of silver oxide in the film, is what the energy "collapses" into, a very small area, indeed, and this all done "electromagnetically," using shifts in the orbitals of the electrons. now, I guess it is more of a question, how it is that the wavefront of light "flows" through the medium of space, without actually being absorbed by the atoms. the ideal of aether pretty-much faded, as the ideal of atoms became prevalent & better comprehended; did it not? if you look at the original problem of Bernoulli and Liebniz, the path of quickest descent through a variable medium (the atmosphere, a continuation of "space'), it seems that the "frictionless" aspect of it is akin the masslessness of your beloved photon--is-a-rock, a known absirdity that has always been passed-over. > "the wave of light travels through both slits, whence it recombines > through constructive interference, and collapses as a single quantum" > The photon wave travels through both slits. The ability of the photon > wave to collapse and be detected as a single quantum occupies a very > small region of the wave and travels a single path. thusNso: UA's not engaging you, might as well be am Snipcrapbot. and, you are not engaging anyone who bothers with you, mister A=mcc Ba-doomp. thusNso: so, if A=mcc, where does the "creates energy" come into it?... don't you see, where you've stuck yourself, a blythe conundrum of wordage? thus quoth: The effect this transition has on the surrounding aether and matter is energy. Mæther decompressing creates energy. Mass is conserved. thusNso: wait a second; now, you're saying light can't have both electrical & magnetical components?... sort of like, the general confusion over mathematical duality, where you can't actually use both of the pair *at the same time*, unless it is a "two-column proof" a la Pascal. a more proper statment would be, like, a photon is a boson, not neccesarily a momentumless, no-dimensional point of light, and mainly because young et al showed that all of the essential properties are wavy. so, if light is the one thing that might not really be a particle, what is one thing that might not really be a wave? --Pi, the surfer's canonical value -- except no other! http://wlym.com
From: mpc755 on 25 May 2010 22:15 On May 25, 10:08 pm, spudnik <Space...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > no, no, no. the molecule of silver oxide in the film, > is what the energy "collapses" into, a very small area, indeed, and > this all done "electromagnetically," using shifts in the orbitals > of the electrons. now, I guess it is more of a question, > how it is that the wavefront of light "flows" > through the medium of space, without actually being > absorbed by the atoms. > The electron orbital changes due to the quantum of mæther which is 'absorbed' by the atom. The quantum of mæther is the photon 'particle'.
From: spudnik on 25 May 2010 22:23
gi'me a break; you are trying to profess some new religion, without thinking about what you're typing. and why in Hell am I typing back at you?... ah, I see, where you're going with this. you are going into the Standard Model with its "force-imparting particles," the photon, graviton, gluon etc., now some-how encapsulated in the maether -- yeah! > The electron orbital changes due to the quantum of mæther which is > 'absorbed' by the atom. The quantum of mæther is the photon > 'particle'. thus" a more proper statment would be, like, a photon is a boson, not neccesarily a momentumless, no-dimensional point of light, and mainly because Young et al showed that all of the essential properties are wavy, not requiring the absurdity of Newton's corpuscle. (why the British hate Shakespeare, is why they love Newton .-) so, if light is the one thing that might not really be a particle, what is one thing that might not really be a wave? --Pi, the surfer's canonical value -- except no other! http://wlym.com |