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From: Steven D'Aprano on 4 Jun 2010 00:54 On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:43:58 +0000, Monte Milanuk wrote: > Decent NNTP access is harder to find. Not impossible, but no longer a > 'free' part of most standard ISP access any more. I disagree. Since I've been on the Internet, over a decade now (what can I say? I was a slow starter), I've had three ISPs, and all three of them have provided NNTP access as a standard. One of them tried to cancel access to *binary* newsgroups, but they reversed that after customer complaints. I don't know what rubbish ISPs you're dealing with, or what country you're in, but not all ISPs in all countries are rubbish. -- Steven
From: Phlip on 4 Jun 2010 01:05 On Jun 3, 9:54 pm, Steven D'Aprano <st...(a)REMOVE-THIS- cybersource.com.au> wrote: > I don't know what rubbish ISPs you're dealing with You've heard of a little fly-by-night outfit called AT&T?
From: Chris Rebert on 4 Jun 2010 01:07 On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:54 PM, Steven D'Aprano <steve(a)remove-this-cybersource.com.au> wrote: > On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 15:43:58 +0000, Monte Milanuk wrote: >> Decent NNTP access is harder to find. Â Not impossible, but no longer a >> 'free' part of most standard ISP access any more. > > I disagree. Since I've been on the Internet, over a decade now (what can > I say? I was a slow starter), I've had three ISPs, and all three of them > have provided NNTP access as a standard. One of them tried to cancel > access to *binary* newsgroups, but they reversed that after customer > complaints. > > I don't know what rubbish ISPs you're dealing with, or what country > you're in, but not all ISPs in all countries are rubbish. The US high-speed consumer ISP market isn't very competitive and some players in the oligopoly are indeed rubbish WRT newsgroups. Case in point: http://www.comcast.net/newsgroups/ </americentrism> Cheers, Chris -- Not that I care. Mailinglists seem about as good anyway. http://blog.rebertia.com
From: Steven D'Aprano on 4 Jun 2010 01:11 On Thu, 03 Jun 2010 03:16:03 -0700, Pierre Quentel wrote: > So the OP's initiative should be an incentive to think on the format of > the interaction between all the range of Python users, from newbees to > gurus. We are in the 2.0 era, with social networks all over the place > using a pleasant interface, Really? I can't think of any 2.0 era social networks using pleasant interfaces. All the ones I've seen or used start with mediocre interfaces and get worse from there. > while c.l.p has a rather austere look and feel, with text only, Thank goodness for that! > no way to present code snippets in a different > font / background than discussions, If somebody can't distinguish code from comments in a post by the context, they aren't cut out to be a programmer and should probably stick to posting "OMG LOL" on a social networking site. > and even an unintuitive way of entering links... Pasting or typing a URL is unintuitive? If somebody can't take the time and effort to post a URL in a form that is not broken, well, that doesn't say much for their skills as a coder does it? If you can't handle the fact that URLs can't be broken over multiple lines in email and news posts, how do you expect to handle even more vigorous requirements while programming? > I'm not saying that pythonforum.org is the best solution but it > certainly looks more attractive than c.l.p. to the new generation of > Python users I get: While trying to retrieve the URL: http://pythonforum.org/ The following error was encountered: Connection to 173.83.46.254 Failed The system returned: (111) Connection refused Oops. Looks like they can't handle the millions of new users joining up. Despite my sarcasm, I actually do wish them the best. I'm not too worried about fragmenting the community -- the community is already fragmented, and that's a *good thing*. There are forums for newbies, for development *of* Python (rather than development *in* Python), for numeric work in Python, for Italian-speakers, for game development, etc. This is the way it should be, and I don't fear a competing general Python forum or forums. If they're better than comp.lang.python, they will attract more users and become the place to be, and if they're not, they won't. -- Steven
From: geremy condra on 4 Jun 2010 01:31
On Fri, Jun 4, 2010 at 1:05 AM, Phlip <phlip2005(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jun 3, 9:54 pm, Steven D'Aprano <st...(a)REMOVE-THIS- > cybersource.com.au> wrote: > >> I don't know what rubbish ISPs you're dealing with > > You've heard of a little fly-by-night outfit called AT&T? They were my ISP as of three weeks ago. Has something changed since then? Geremy Condra |