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From: salgud on 21 Jun 2010 13:59 On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 13:05:31 -0400, JF Mezei wrote: > To see how New York investigators work, you need to watch "Castle". > You'll find that investigators are all unmarried females accompanied by > some writer whose vivid imagination always finds the answers to how/why > a crime was committed. You forgot to say "gorgeous" unmarried females. They seem to be all over the place in those shows. One of the reasons I like "Law & Order" was S. Epatha Merkerson - not very attractive, but a serious, talented actress, on a cop show! And yes, crimes are now solved by intuition and seance, not long, dull, dreary follow-ups of every lead and hours of looking through phone and financial records for one tiny entry that exposes the criminal. Real cop work isn't glamorous until the final stages, when the trial starts, and the cop is pretty much out of the picture, except for his testimony. For "real" tv cops, it's hard to top "The Wire", the HBO series that ran for five years and ended a couple of years ago. It certainly was a lot like the real thing in the way it represented police and police work (the hero was an unstable alcoholic womanizer). Way better than anything on network tv. Of course, the networks can't do all the cussing and use of the "N" word, so they're pretty much non-starters when it comes to any resemblance to reality.
From: salgud on 21 Jun 2010 14:06 On Mon, 21 Jun 2010 17:34:05 +0000 (UTC), Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote: > The original premise of CSI was that they were one of those companies that > sprouted up in the late 1990's that was NOT the police department, they > were an independent company that solved crimes through science and were paid > by the case solved. > > Las Vegas was picked as the location because second to the FBI lab at > Quantico, they have the best funded crime lab in the US. > > I think the original premise lasted only a few episodes if any beyond the > pilot and they were quickly converted to police officers. That would be an interesting premise, if a main sub-theme of the show was how much trouble they had getting any cooperation from the police or the DA's office. Those folks don't like anyone showing how incompetant they can be, which, in most cases, if someone just applied themselves, would be relatively easy to do. If you've ever tried to solve a crime yourself, you'll pretty quickly find the local police intervening and protecting the criminal. If they're not being paid to do so outright by them, they just don't like some amateur coming in a solving a crime and making them look stupid.
From: Mark Conrad on 21 Jun 2010 17:16 Like many have said, real police work is dull hard work, looking for subtle relationships between the available facts. You wanna check out how good a crime-solving outfit is? Give them the following "crime" and time them as to how long it takes them to solve it ;-) All the necessary facts are here. Assumption is that the "criminal" has been a constant customer at a local pet fish store, but no one has been able to identify exactly who the customer is. For the brainy ones out there, no hints please, until the rest of us give up. Only two out of a hundred people can solve this puzzle, the rest give up. I am ten minutes into it, have not solved it yet, but like every good crime fighter I am doing the dull paperwork necessary to establish who the criminal is. Will post again _when_ I solve it. heh heh, wonder how long it would take our local police departments to solve this. Einstein (no one know his real IQ) give us a puzzle like this, for he stressed examining assumptions, and once wrote: "The important thing is to not stop questioning." Facts: There are 5 houses in 5 different colours In each house lives a person with a different nationality.. These 5 owners drink a certain beverage, smoke a certain brand of cigar and keep a certain pet. No owners have the same pet, smoke the same brand of cigar, or drink the same drink. Hints: The Brit lives in a red house. The Swede keeps dogs as pets. The Dane drinks tea. The green house is on the left of the white house. The green house owner drinks coffee. The person who smokes Pall Mall rears birds. The owner of the yellow house smokes Dunhill. The man living in the house right in the centre drinks milk. The Norwegian lives in the first house. The man who smokes Blend lives next to the one who keeps cats. The man who keeps horses lives next to the man who smokes Dunhill. The owner who smokes Blue Master drinks beer. The German smokes Prince. The Norwegian lives next to the blue house. The man who smokes Blend has a neighbour who drinks water. The question for the Einstein test is ... WHO KEEPS THE FISH? Mark-
From: Doug Anderson on 21 Jun 2010 18:45 Mark Conrad <aeiou(a)mostly.invalid> writes: > Like many have said, real police work is dull hard work, > looking for subtle relationships between the available facts. > > You wanna check out how good a crime-solving outfit is? > > Give them the following "crime" and time them as to how > long it takes them to solve it ;-) This question is a very poor model for police work. In this question you have a bunch of information which you can assume to be 100% accurate, and which uniquely identifies one individual. In real police work, little of the information is known to be 100% accurate (people both lie and make mistakes all the time), and in fact most of the time you don't have enough information to identify an individual. If you are very lucky, you have enough information to give you ideas about what kinds of other information to look for.
From: Mark Conrad on 21 Jun 2010 19:59
In article <b2r5k0t379.fsf(a)ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson <ethelthelogremovethis(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > Give them the following "crime" and time them as to how > > long it takes them to solve it ;-) > > This question is a very poor model for police work. That may well be, however I would not trust a police department to be able to connect-the-dots of a real crime, if they could not solve this example. Is it to much to ask to have clever thinking people in our police departments? Mark- |