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From: Mark Conrad on 22 Jun 2010 11:27 In article <michelle-07478F.05324722062010(a)62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi>, Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote: > > Someone here restore my faith in mankind by solving this > > obviously solveable puzzle - - - or is everyone here > > as stupid as I am. > > I'm smart enough to not waste my time with it. Yet too dumb to realize the benefits of puzzle solving. Unfortunately, I have a doctor with your mindset. He has been pissing around trying to wait for some obvious facts to slap himself in the side of the head. After months of spending _your_ tax money to diagnose what was wrong with me, and failing to find anything "obvious", he came up with a really stupid question. "So what are we doing this procedure for ? " (he was the "expert" who decided on the procedure) I replied "You are the doctor, you tell me". That would be like your automobile mechanic asking you "Why are we checking your electronic ignition today". Meanwhile, my symptoms drag on, month after month, and _your_ taxes keep getting wasted while idiots like this doctor are waiting for something obvious to "hit them". Mark-
From: Doug Anderson on 22 Jun 2010 11:32 Mark Conrad <aeiou(a)mostly.invalid> writes: > In article > <michelle-07478F.05324722062010(a)62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi>, > Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote: > > > > Someone here restore my faith in mankind by solving this > > > obviously solveable puzzle - - - or is everyone here > > > as stupid as I am. > > > > I'm smart enough to not waste my time with it. > > Yet too dumb to realize the benefits of puzzle solving. > > Unfortunately, I have a doctor with your mindset. > > He has been pissing around trying to wait for some > obvious facts to slap himself in the side of the head. > > After months of spending _your_ tax money to diagnose > what was wrong with me, and failing to find anything > "obvious", he came up with a really stupid question. > > "So what are we doing this procedure for ? " > > (he was the "expert" who decided on the procedure) > > I replied "You are the doctor, you tell me". > > > That would be like your automobile mechanic asking > you "Why are we checking your electronic ignition today". > > Meanwhile, my symptoms drag on, month after month, > and _your_ taxes keep getting wasted while idiots like > this doctor are waiting for something obvious to "hit them". If your point is that it would be a good thing if there were more smart people in the world, I agree. If your point is that being a policeman requires skill in solving logic puzzles, then I think you've just demonstrated the first point.
From: Mark Conrad on 22 Jun 2010 13:26 In article <michelle-3C6A3D.09075322062010(a)62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi>, Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote: > > So we have your dismissing of puzzle solving as a useful detective > > technique, > > I did no such thing. Detectives solve puzzles all the time, but they solve > meaningful and relevant puzzles. Such as a serial killer who raises pet fish? Anyhow my faith in mankind is restored, because there is one person in this thread who solved the puzzle. (not me, I gave up) This is a case where computers excell, finding non-obvious relationships between the existing facts in a crime case - - - a task so tedious that lazy humans tend to ignore it, rationalizing their incompetent behavior by saying: "this is not relevant". ....just like the BP oil rigs normal safety procedures were "not relevant" to BP company management. ....just like ignoring engineers advice not to launch Columbia in cold weather "was not relevant" to NASA. > Please get back on your meds, Mark... Oh, I guzzle my old-man meds without fail; I find that if all the pills are served on a bone-white china plate, and sprinkled with ketchup, they are quite tasty. > just because you have an incompetent doctor... You spotted that too, eh. I have so much time invested in this turkey (6 months) that I thought by now he would come up with something in the way of a specific diagnosis. No such luck. Mark-
From: Tim McNamara on 22 Jun 2010 18:52 In article <220620100748015018%aeiou(a)mostly.invalid>, Mark Conrad <aeiou(a)mostly.invalid> wrote: > In article <8eeifzw4t7.fsf(a)ethel.the.log>, Doug Anderson > <ethelthelogremovethis(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > A witless detective, such as me for example, is going to have a > > > much lower success rate than a highly intelligent detective who > > > is good at tying together non-obvious facts. > > > > Again, outside of fiction, police work is rarely concerned with > > solving elaborate logic puzzles. > > Yeah, you are right. It is much easier to allow a killer to continue > killing, than it is to puzzle out the obvious clue connections and > remove him from the streets. I think you have confused TV with reality, Mark. CSI, Bones, Criminal Minds, etc. are not only not real, they are not representative of actual procedure. According to my friends on the force, the majority of their job is catching criminals red-handed. No clues to follow, they see the person committing the crime- or find them immediately afterwards when someone reports the crime and identifies the criminal. The serial murderer scenario is thankfully rare. -- That'll put marzipan in your pie plate, Bingo.
From: Mark Conrad on 22 Jun 2010 20:36
In article <michelle-BEB40B.09022622062010(a)62-183-169-81.bb.dnainternet.fi>, Michelle Steiner <michelle(a)michelle.org> wrote: > And you're too stupid to go to a different doctor. Don't assume that a different doctor is any smarter. (or any more honest) When they get a cash cow, they milk it for all its worth. That is the name of the medical games they play. Tsk tsk, and _you_ say that logic puzzles/games have no place in the real world. Imagine a mechanic taking 6 months to diagnose the troubles with your car. In medicine, this long diagnosis is standard fare, if you take the time to follow the medical horror stories. Standard Fare. Case in point, last month I had severe angina, happens about twice a year. Popped some nitro pills, did not help. Few years ago, I made the mistake of calling 911. 90 minutes and $2,000 later , ambulance rolled me into the local hospital 40 miles away. This time thought I would save the taxpayers a buck or two, so I shot out of my ranch and drove to the hospital myself, got there in 35 minutes. Main entrance was closed. (2am) Found a guy, he sez I have to go into the emergency section. EEG & blood test, found nothing - - - I sez fine, lemme go. They sez no, we can't make any money that way, we want to admit you to the main hospital for "observation", I sez OK. 4 hours pass, I inquire "what is happening". They sez "You should have been here yesterday, it took them 24 hrs to get a guy admitted to the main hospital". Mind you this is the tiny emergency section of Mercy Medical, where the ambulance would take you on a 911 call. All one big money-making game, Michelle. I turned in all sorts of bad reports on that episode, like them ignoring the pleas of the 90 year old doll in an adjacent cubical inside the emergency room, while the doctors and nurses were having a social talkfest at the far end of the room. Like the doctor wanting me to take a chemical stress test, where they insert chemicals to speed up your heart, and I specifically told him I wanted the treadmill test instead, telling him I would refuse the chemical test approach. He nodded his head, said fine, I sez okay, we are on the same page - - - time for stress-test, tech sez they do not have any treadmill, the chemical version is all they offer. Grab the lying doctor, said I want out, he sez okay, slams the door. Hours pass, nothing happens, so I dress and walk out on my own. I do not know how much the friggin hospital charged the taxpayers for that unnecessary hopital stay, but you can bet it is in the thousands of dollars. ....and the hospital is owned and run by a catholic nun religous order, so they should know better. Next angina episode I will just stay home and guzzle nitro, if I fart I will probably blow myself up. Hey, don't knock it, it's not a bad way to go. Mark- |