Question re Canon iP1500
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From: Burt on 3 Apr 2006 00:25 "Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote in message news:e0q58l$bsg$1(a)emma.aioe.org... > "measekite" <inkystinky(a)oem.com> wrote in message > news:Wv0Yf.55031$F_3.20890(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... >> >> >> Mary wrote: >> >> >Hi, I have a Canon iP1500 for the last year and so far its been > working >> >fine till last week. >> >Its more of an all purpose printer and not a great printer but OK for >> >me. Last week, I got a >> >new color cart, Staples brand which I use and it has always printed >> >photos fine. But they had a >> >little too much pink in them and some were a bit dark. Not terrible, > but >> >I've printed the same photos previously, and they were better before. >> >I went back to Staples with the color cart and got a Canon color > cart. >> >But photos have an even more pink cast to them. I tried several >> >cleanings and it says "waste ink absorber is almost full, press > Resume >> >button". It said this when I got the Staples new cart as well. I also >> >notice after >> >printing quite a few photos, that the ink level still shows full > which >> >should be down a little by now. >> >I don't know if the cart is the problem, though seems unlikely, or is >> >blue and yellow clogged up in the printer? I cleaned the printer as > much >> >as I could taking out the printhead and cleaning it gently, >> >according to suggestions I saw on this NG, but nothing helped. Is my >> >printer finished? >> > >> >MaryW >> > >> > (snipped Measekite's mean-spirited, unhelpful response to Mary) > > What kind of newsgroup is this? I came for some help for a printing > problem, not for some jerk to insult me. And is your caps lock key > stuck? Don't you know it means shouting and is bad netiquette? Don't > bother replying if this is your best advice. > > Mary > Mary - you've just encountered our resident obnoxious troll. I can't recall the last time he was anything but mean spirited and rude. He has a real thing about aftermarket inks and constantly snipes at anyone who mentions them. Yes, your canon ip1500 is a low end printer, but if it does everything you need it to do, there's nothing wrong with your enjoying it. You have two problems. One is probably some clogging of the jets which has caused one or more colors to partially print and results in a color shift. Genuine Canon inks (OEM) can clog the printhead also. Otherwise there would be no reason for all inkjet printers to have built in cleaning routines. Clogs usually happen from letting the printer sit idle for a period of time without printing. Clogging also can occur after some months or years of use. ;You can also have a failure of the printhead or the printer circuitry. I've never used this printer, but it probably has a nozzle check. Run it to see if you are getting a perfect pattern. The cleaning routine in the printer software works for very minor clogs. It also uses up ink quickly, especially with the small volume of ink in the ip1500 carts. Since you know how to remove the printhead, go on to the Nifty-stuff forum, click on the FAQ section, and read the first thread about what to do if your printer doesn't print properly. Lots of info on cleaning a removable Canon printhead. If, however, you are still under warranty, just contact Canon and they will send you a new printhead. The other problem is the nearly full waste ink tank. It isn't really a tank - it is an absorbent pad inside the bottom of the printer. If you keep printing now that you've gotten the warning, your printer will absolutely shut down and you will have to take it to a repair facility to have them replace the pad and reset the printer internal operating system. Again, on the Nifty-stuff forum you can find the control codes for some of the Canon priners that the technicians use to reset the counter that tells you the pad is full. From what I've read, one reset without replacing the pad doesn't generally cause the printer to leak ink. Unfortunately, these printers cost more for the technician to replace the pad and reset them than it would cost to buy a replacement! This is certainly an anti-consumer bit of technology that Canons and Epsons employ. The printer doesn't actually measure how much ink it has accumulated in the pad. It estimates it based on the number of pages printed plus the number of cleaning cycles that it does, both automatically and by you when there is a clog. If you do have to replace the printer, Measekite's advice to get the ip 4200 or ip5200 isn't bad. It's just the mean quality of his message that is totally inappropriate. Most of us have killfiled him and never see his posts unless they are repeated by your response. So --- delete his garbage with any future replies. Unfortunately, the newest pixma printers have carts with computer chips built in and there are no aftermarket carts available yet. Hopefully they will become available. The previous generation pixmas - the ip4000 and ip5000 - have separate color carts and a ready supply of aftermarket prefilled carts and refill inks. If you can find one to buy, your replacement inks will be much cheaper. I have found that businesses like Staples charge almost as much as OEM carts for their aftermarket inks. Your best buys are on the internet and Nifty-stuff forum and Neil Slade's info on papers and inks are good guides for which of these products are safe and effective. If you are in the San Francisco Bay Area, Fry's electronics in San Jose has the Canon MP780, a multipurpose unit, that has, as its basic printer engine, the ip4000. It is on sale for $100 after reduction and Canon rebate. It is also on sale at their outpost.com for $150. It is actually worth the price for the printer function alone. As I mentioned for the ip4000 and ip5000, there are lots of sources for prefilled carts of good quality.
From: Tony on 3 Apr 2006 01:15 "Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote: >"measekite" <inkystinky(a)oem.com> wrote in message >news:Wv0Yf.55031$F_3.20890(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... >> >> >> Mary wrote: >> >> >Hi, I have a Canon iP1500 for the last year and so far its been >working >> >fine till last week. >> >Its more of an all purpose printer and not a great printer but OK for >> >me. Last week, I got a >> >new color cart, Staples brand which I use and it has always printed >> >photos fine. But they had a >> >little too much pink in them and some were a bit dark. Not terrible, >but >> >I've printed the same photos previously, and they were better before. >> >I went back to Staples with the color cart and got a Canon color >cart. >> >But photos have an even more pink cast to them. I tried several >> >cleanings and it says "waste ink absorber is almost full, press >Resume >> >button". It said this when I got the Staples new cart as well. I also >> >notice after >> >printing quite a few photos, that the ink level still shows full >which >> >should be down a little by now. >> >I don't know if the cart is the problem, though seems unlikely, or is >> >blue and yellow clogged up in the printer? I cleaned the printer as >much >> >as I could taking out the printhead and cleaning it gently, >> >according to suggestions I saw on this NG, but nothing helped. Is my >> >printer finished? >> > >> >MaryW >> > >> > >> > >> YOU FURTHER COMPLICATED YOUR PIECE OF TRASH PRINTER BY PUTTING IN A >> GREATER PIECE OF TRASH INK AND YOU GOT WHAT YOU DESERVED. IF YOU FEEL >> YOU LEARNED YOUR LESSON THEN GO OUT AND BUY A CANON IP5200. > >What kind of newsgroup is this? I came for some help for a printing >problem, not for some jerk to insult me. And is your caps lock key >stuck? Don't you know it means shouting and is bad netiquette? Don't >bother replying if this is your best advice. > >Mary Mary Sorry you got the diatribe from the low life here. Just to re-inforce what Burt has said about the waste absorber. There are two of them in this printer but the printer does not report which one is nearly full. Unfortunately I know of no codes to reset the counters, you have to use a special piece of Canon software to reset the counters. This software also tells you which of the waste ink counters is nearing full. If you would like to have a go at that please e-mail me and I will see if I can help. Tony
From: Mary on 3 Apr 2006 01:24 "Burt" <sfbjgNOSPAM(a)pacbell.net> wrote in message news:ct1Yf.65766 > "measekite" <inkystinky(a)oem.com> wrote in message > news:Wv0Yf.55031$F_3.20890(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > >> Mary wrote: > >> > >> >Hi, I have a Canon iP1500 for the last year and so far its been > > working > >> >fine till last week. > >> >Its more of an all purpose printer and not a great printer but OK for > >> >me. Last week, I got a > >> >new color cart, Staples brand which I use and it has always printed > >> >photos fine. But they had a > >> >little too much pink in them and some were a bit dark. Not terrible, > > but > >> >I've printed the same photos previously, and they were better before. > >> >I went back to Staples with the color cart and got a Canon color > > cart. > >> >But photos have an even more pink cast to them. I tried several > >> >cleanings and it says "waste ink absorber is almost full, press > > Resume > >> >button". It said this when I got the Staples new cart as well. I also > >> >notice after > >> >printing quite a few photos, that the ink level still shows full > > which > >> >should be down a little by now. > >> >I don't know if the cart is the problem, though seems unlikely, or is > >> >blue and yellow clogged up in the printer? I cleaned the printer as > > much > >> >as I could taking out the printhead and cleaning it gently, > >> >according to suggestions I saw on this NG, but nothing helped. Is my > >> >printer finished? > >> > > >> >MaryW > >> > > >> > > (snipped Measekite's mean-spirited, unhelpful response to Mary) > > > > > What kind of newsgroup is this? I came for some help for a printing > > problem, not for some jerk to insult me. And is your caps lock key > > stuck? Don't you know it means shouting and is bad netiquette? Don't > > bother replying if this is your best advice. > > > > Mary > > > Mary - you've just encountered our resident obnoxious troll. I can't recall > the last time he was anything but mean spirited and rude. I kind of figured that, but fell in the trap anyway :) He has a real > thing about aftermarket inks and constantly snipes at anyone who mentions > them. Actually, my photos printed much better with the "trash ink" which was Staples compatible carts if thats what he means by aftermarket inks, than it now does with brand name Canon ink cart. Yes, your canon ip1500 is a low end printer, but if it does > everything you need it to do, there's nothing wrong with your enjoying it. Exactly my point. I've had it a year and it has worked fine during that time till I got a new Staples compatible but that is what I have always used, so I couldn't figure out why my colored photos would have a pinkish cast, when they never had that before and I only got the Canon brand to see if it showed the same pinkish cast as the Staples compatible, which it does, so that leaves me thinking maybe its something to do with the printer. > You have two problems. > One is probably some clogging of the jets which has caused one or more > colors to partially print and results in a color shift. Genuine Canon inks > (OEM) can clog the printhead also. Otherwise there would be no reason for > all inkjet printers to have built in cleaning routines. Clogs usually > happen from letting the printer sit idle for a period of time without > printing. Clogging also can occur after some months or years of use. The printer is not used every day but pretty frequently and this is the first time I've had any kind of color problem with photos. Its not terrible, but a light pinkish cast is there that was never there before. Just enough to not look quite right when compared to a previous print of the same photo from when I printed it a month ago. >You > can also have a failure of the printhead or the printer circuitry. I've > never used this printer, but it probably has a nozzle check. Run it to see > if you are getting a perfect pattern. The cleaning routine in the printer > software works for very minor clogs. I did a nozzle check and some of the color lines look ok except for the second lighter blue which has lines a little broken up, but the red which is the color I seem to have a little too much of in the prints, looks ok. The yellow looks ok, but the lighter yellow below that is quite hard to see. > It also uses up ink quickly, > especially with the small volume of ink in the ip1500 carts. Thats another thing you reminded me off. I have the printer monitor on to check to see how much ink is left in the carts, and they both still show them as being full. By this time after printing quite a few photos in my experiments (wasted ink of course), the carts usually suddenly dip down to about half after what seems a very short time. >Since you know > how to remove the printhead, go on to the Nifty-stuff forum, click on the > FAQ section, and read the first thread about what to do if your printer > doesn't print properly. Lots of info on cleaning a removable Canon > printhead. If, however, you are still under warranty, just contact Canon > and they will send you a new printhead. I've never heard of Nifty stuff forum, but I'll do a search for it. The warranty for my printer is up sometimes this month, but since I bought it at Staples. I am in Toronto, Canada, so things might be done a little different than in the US with Staples. I got an extended warranty for $10.00 when I bought the printer as I thought it was worth it. I had an Epson a few years ago and it conked out during the second year, and Staples took my old one back and said to take another one and thats how I got the Canon I now have. Anything that cost under $200, they dont send for repair. They just replace it with same printer or one a little more money and you pay the difference. So I am not sure if I would just get another printer since I could get one the same price and not have to pay anything more than I paid for the printer I have, or pay a little more if I saw something else. I saw advertised an iP 1600 which would be similar to what I have and about the same price. I don't want to pay a lot for a printer. I don't print photos that often. I go on photo printing binges. We probably don't have all the varieties of printers you have in the US though we have enough for most people. I seem to manage to buy enough stuff :) > The other problem is the nearly full waste ink tank. It isn't really a > tank - it is an absorbent pad inside the bottom of the printer. When I checked the printer, I notice on the right side where you can't get at inside the printer (where they don't want you to get at), there is a white plastic cup thing with small dividers, don't know what you call them, and a lot of blue and red ink smeared around, and two small pad things. I guess thats what you mean. >If you keep > printing now that you've gotten the warning, your printer will absolutely > shut down and you will have to take it to a repair facility to have them > replace the pad and reset the printer internal operating system. I would take it to Staples and they will replace it with another printer as that one is not in production now, or I would pay a little more for difference in price from what I paid and get another printer. Theoretically, during the first year, its under warranty by the manufacturer, but often Staples will give you a new one even without extended warranty. The extended warranty is for the second year. I've never had to take a printer or anything for repair when buying at Staples. I have found them good to deal with. >Again, on > the Nifty-stuff forum you can find the control codes for some of the Canon > priners that the technicians use to reset the counter that tells you the pad > is full. From what I've read, one reset without replacing the pad doesn't > generally cause the printer to leak ink. I will see if I can find that information on Nifty-stuff though I've never been there,. Unfortunately, these printers cost > more for the technician to replace the pad and reset them than it would cost > to buy a replacement! That is true, and thats why Staples just replace them and don't send them for repair. But if you pay more than $200.00 for something, Staples will send it for repair for you, though thankfully that has not happened to me yet. Most things I buy are not more than $200.00 unless a digital camera I bought there last year. >This is certainly an anti-consumer bit of technology > that Canons and Epsons employ. The printer doesn't actually measure how > much ink it has accumulated in the pad. It estimates it based on the number > of pages printed plus the number of cleaning cycles that it does, both > automatically and by you when there is a clog. From what you say and from the message I got about wasted ink absorber, I figured something is clogged. > If you do have to replace the printer, Measekite's advice to get the ip 4200 > or ip5200 isn't bad. It depends on if they are available here and how much they cost. They probably cost more here than you would pay though some here are fairly cheap. I saw the iP1600 but it would be similar to the one I have. > It's just the mean quality of his message that is > totally inappropriate. Most of us have killfiled him and never see his > posts unless they are repeated by your response. So --- delete his garbage > with any future replies. Unfortunately, the newest pixma printers have > carts with computer chips built in and there are no aftermarket carts > available yet. Hopefully they will become available. So you have to use the brand name carts. Thats not what I want to do. They are too expensive. Staples brand has been ok for me though they have gone up in price recently and are not all that much cheaper than brand name. >The previous > generation pixmas - the ip4000 and ip5000 - have separate color carts and a > ready supply of aftermarket prefilled carts and refill inks. I thought my iP 1500 was a previous generation? it does not have separate color carts. To tell you the truth, I really don't want separate color carts, if you mean the three separate colors plus black. I had an Epson like that and it is marketed as supposedly you save money, but I found I spent more money. If the blue was half way down, and the red was three quarters, and if I got a new blue, by another week or so I had to get red and was always running back and forth and went to an ink refiller which was ok, but I would not buy separate color cartridges again. I want the three in one which is fine for my purposes. If you can > find one to buy, your replacement inks will be much cheaper. I have found > that businesses like Staples charge almost as much as OEM carts for their > aftermarket inks. Your best buys are on the internet and Nifty-stuff forum > and Neil Slade's info on papers and inks are good guides for which of these > products are safe and effective. I've never bought ink carts online, as I use my printer steadily but not every day. I like to buy them and get them right away. Thats just me though. Staples OEM carts used to be a lot cheaper, but recently they have gone up in price and not as much of a bargain any more. > If you are in the San Francisco Bay Area, Fry's electronics in San Jose has > the Canon MP780, a multipurpose unit, that has, as its basic printer engine, > the ip4000. It is on sale for $100 after reduction and Canon rebate. It is > also on sale at their outpost.com for $150. It is actually worth the price > for the printer function alone. As I mentioned for the ip4000 and ip5000, > there are lots of sources for prefilled carts of good quality. I am a few thousand miles from San Francisco though I would like to visit it but I am about an hour and a half to Buffalo, though I haven't been there in 10 years. I think I can manage to find something a little closer. Thanks a lot for your information. I am going to see if I can find the codes to re-set the ink absorber, or might end up going to Staples and see what printers they have that I can get. Too bad, I like the printer I have. I had a Canon before, the 2100. It was a good printer, better made than the ip1500. It lasted for 3 years with no problems. Finally the printhead went and it was separate and it was going to cost some ridiculous amount to replace and was cheaper to buy a new printer, so I did. Mary
From: Mary on 3 Apr 2006 01:31 "Tony" <TonytheTigurrrrr(a)aim.com> wrote in message news:part1of1.1.lar1riubL4GB8Q(a)ue.ph... > "Mary" <no(a)japamjunk.com> wrote: > >"measekite" <inkystinky(a)oem.com> wrote in message > >news:Wv0Yf.55031$F_3.20890(a)newssvr29.news.prodigy.net... > >> > >> > >> Mary wrote: > >> > >> >Hi, I have a Canon iP1500 for the last year and so far its been > >working > >> >fine till last week. > >> >Its more of an all purpose printer and not a great printer but OK for > >> >me. Last week, I got a > >> >new color cart, Staples brand which I use and it has always printed > >> >photos fine. But they had a > >> >little too much pink in them and some were a bit dark. Not terrible, > >but > >> >I've printed the same photos previously, and they were better before. > >> >I went back to Staples with the color cart and got a Canon color > >cart. > >> >But photos have an even more pink cast to them. I tried several > >> >cleanings and it says "waste ink absorber is almost full, press > >Resume > >> >button". It said this when I got the Staples new cart as well. I also > >> >notice after > >> >printing quite a few photos, that the ink level still shows full > >which > >> >should be down a little by now. > >> >I don't know if the cart is the problem, though seems unlikely, or is > >> >blue and yellow clogged up in the printer? I cleaned the printer as > >much > >> >as I could taking out the printhead and cleaning it gently, > >> >according to suggestions I saw on this NG, but nothing helped. Is my > >> >printer finished? > >> > > >> >MaryW > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> YOU FURTHER COMPLICATED YOUR PIECE OF TRASH PRINTER BY PUTTING IN A > >> GREATER PIECE OF TRASH INK AND YOU GOT WHAT YOU DESERVED. IF YOU FEEL > >> YOU LEARNED YOUR LESSON THEN GO OUT AND BUY A CANON IP5200. > > > >What kind of newsgroup is this? I came for some help for a printing > >problem, not for some jerk to insult me. And is your caps lock key > >stuck? Don't you know it means shouting and is bad netiquette? Don't > >bother replying if this is your best advice. > > > >Mary > > Mary > Sorry you got the diatribe from the low life here. Yeah, I should have checked his previous replies to people and I wouldn't have bothered to answer. It always mystifies me why people want to be trolls. Such a useless pursuit. > Just to re-inforce what Burt has said about the waste absorber. > There are two of them in this printer but the printer does not report which one > is nearly full. Are they the two square pad things in the white plastic container thing with dividers at the bottom right side of the printer where you can't get at very well? >Unfortunately I know of no codes to reset the counters, you > have to use a special piece of Canon software to reset the counters. This > software also tells you which of the waste ink counters is nearing full. > If you would like to have a go at that please e-mail me and I will see if I can > help. But would re-setting the counters help my situation if my problem is clogged colors? What does "waste ink absorbers almost full" mean? Do you have a hotmail or yahoo or other email address? Thanks. Mary
From: zakezuke on 3 Apr 2006 01:34
> I cleaned the printer as much > as I could taking out the printhead and cleaning it gently, > according to suggestions I saw on this NG, but nothing helped. Is my > printer finished? First, pay no attention to measekite. He harasses anyone who makes the choice to use non-oem ink. I know nothing about staples ink, never used it personaly. Secondly, Burt's advice is sound. I have the mp760 which is rather like the mp780. Good printer and infact sold for close to $300 just last month. $150 plus the vast supply of aftermarket ink might be a wise investment. The ip4200 seems to fetch as little as $90ish. The ip5200 I just ordered for $120. This is less than the mp780 for higher resolution, but there are not any easy aftermarket cartridges for them yet. Do as Burt sugests, do a nozzle check and make sure the issue is the nozzles. There is a technique using windex, toilet paper, and pushing on nifty forums, assuming your warranty has expired. If not, don't muck about, call canon and get that printhead replaced for free. The ip1500 is not their best egg. My niece has an older generation BJ that is similar in many ways, perfectly acceptable for her needs but not the sort of printer i'd invest money in parts on. I say this because the replacement printhead costs $50ish QY6-054-000 if i'm not mistaken, shared with the i450 i470 iP1500 MP390. Keep in mind that these printheads do have a limited life, and it's very likely it's simply burnt out, esp since you've reached a full inkpad. So we have worst case of $50 to fix, assuming your issue is the printhead, not to speak of the diaper. The ip1600 costs $29.00 on amazon.com using their slugish super saver shipping. Not that i'd reccomend the ip1600 as unlike your ip1500 it doesn't use a seperate head, but rather heads on the cartridge adding to the cost per refill. I'd have to check to see if it's onpar with the cost of the old ip1500. But it sounds like you print enough to justify something above and beyond a $50 model. Given that your waste ink pad is "almost full" after 1 year of use, I would reccomend you at least consider upgrading to a model more geared tward your use, either that or stick with $50 models and make sure to use it so much that your waste ink full warnings come before the warranty expires. -older generation- Cheap easy aftermarket tanks *-ip3000 Base model, $100 range on e-bay -ip4000 Same thing but with an extra black for photos. **-mp780 Same as above, but a beast of a multifuction, bargin at $150 -ip5000 HIgher resolution, same as the new models but take the old cartridges -current generation- Not so easy to refill -ip4200 Good entry level printer $90ish to $120 ***-ip5200 Heavier, faster, more nozzles, more money. $120ish to $150ish * I own ** I have something damn close *** I'm waiting for I picked the ip5200 because I print a heck of alot of CDs. While my ip3000 is just peachy, I wanted something with higher resolution and the price was right. Do checkout nifty regarding cleaning, and alternative cartridges for your printer that are cheaper than the store brand you bought. |