Question re Canon iP1500
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From: measekite on 18 Apr 2006 10:53 Mary wrote: >"zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:1145334329.059048.90400(a)u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com... > > >>Mary wrote: >> >> >> >>>I thought you knew I always buy Staples compatibles for my ip1500 >>> >>> >and > > >>>always have, except for one time not long ago when I had the color >>>problem on my photos, I tried Canon brand but the problem was still >>>there with the colors. It was only an experiment to try Canon. >>>Staples brand was fine for the whole year then the printhead didn't >>> >>> >work > > >>>properly and not long after that, the ink waste absorber pads went. >>> >>> >>I know you buy staples, I know nothing about staples ink. >> >> >>>>For example, brand name ink, brand name paper, is rated according >>>> >>>> >to > > >>>>them 100years in an album, 30 years under glass, 10 years if >>>> >>>> >totally > > >>>>unprotected. These number are hard to believe, but I can believe >>>> >>>> >that > > >>>>a print life can be increased by storing it away, or saving it >>>> >>>> >under > > >>>>glass. Spray is a nice medium between protecting it underglass >>>> >>>> >and > > >>>not >>> >>> >>>>protecting it at all. >>>> >>>> > >I wouldn't know anything about Staples ink in that regard. > > I THINK YOU DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT INK IN ANY REGARD. YOUR STATEMENTS ARE SIMPLY LUDICROUS > > >>>I have never seen that spray here, but maybe it is. I will keep >>> >>> >these > > >>>things in mind. And yes, the numbers are hard to believe. I would >>> >>> >think > > >>>they would last more than 10 years. How do you store your photos >>> >>> >that > > >>>you print on your printer? >>> >>> >>More than 10 years? I've met prints when exposed to the sunlight that >>didn't last months. Though my last test of the PR-101 paper did take >>the sun for 3 months before I lost the print. I'm somewhat new to >>photo printing so I have yet to work out a cool procedure. For photos >>and negatives I store them in an album with a zipper. >> >> > >You osaid they would last 10 years and I thought you meant protected >like in an album they would only last 10 years. I mistook what you said. > > > >>>As I asked, is the ip3000 as good as the ip4000. Does the extra >>> >>> >large > > >>>black in the ip4000 mean a much better photo than the ip300? I also >>> >>> >saw > > >>>iP2200 around but not in Staples. Staples seem only to stock the >>> >>> >latest > > >>>printers and when they get older, they end up at the warehouse, >>> >>> >where > > >>>they sell them online. They like to keep up to date I guess. >>> >>> >>The ip3000 is as good as the ip4000 but lacks the dye black tank. If >>the black is 80% in blackness, the dye black kicks in on the ip4000. >>The ip3000 mixes cyan, magenta, and yellow to make black. The effect >>very much depends on your ink, but the stuff I buy it's actually very >>black. Most of the time I can not tell the difference, and there is >>only a difference if there is dark black in the picture. >> >> > >Does it make much difference in print quality if the ip3000 doesn't have >that extra darker black? >After all, most printers only have the one black, not a regular black >and a darker black such as the IP 4000 and ip4200 have, and maybe other >models. > > > >>They both have large black tanks, the ip3000 lacks the small black. >> >>The ip2200 is likely an upgrade to the ip2000, which was similar to >> >> >the > > >>ip1500. I was not aware they existed in North America. It's basicly >>an ip1600 from my understanding, so definatly the head on the >> >> >cartridge > > >>type. It will however accept the high yield versions of the head on >>the cartridge type, where the ip1600 doesn't list those as being an >>option. I don't know all of this for a fact, it's not a printer i've >>ever met personaly. All I know is it's basicly the same thing as the >>ip1600. Budget class, expensive ink, no compatables. >> >> > >Did they make the ip2200 after they made the 1600? I guess if they keep >number sequence the 2200 would be made first. The 2200 is not in Staples >stores nor online, only the 1500 is in Staples stores and is $70.00. and >yes, expensive ink and no compatibles. > > > >>Ip3000 on the other hand is on close out, costs the same as an ip1600, >>but comes with ttriple the ink. 11.0lbs, so lighter than the ip4000 >>at 14.9 lbs. Same size though, an unlike the ip4000 it doesn't offer >> >> >a > > >>parelell port, it's USB only. >> >> >> >http://www.canon.ca/english/index-products.asp?lng=en&prodid=879&sgid=23&gid=2&ovr=1&arch=1 > >The ip1500 I have only has USB but I have USB ports. > > > >>It has all the bells and whistles of the ip4000... and also CD >> >> >printing > > >>can be enabled on it if you buy a tray. You can get these on e-bay, >>and I think Canadians can order them from the canon parts dealer. If >>you can, you can sell them to yanks at 100% profit and they would be >>thankful. >> >> > >I don't know what CD printing is. you mean printing CD labels to put on >your CD to identify them? Sell the part that can create CD labels you >mean? > > > > > >
From: Mary on 18 Apr 2006 12:09 "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > > I see what you mean about Yanks want the parts (the tray I guess) I > > didn't know there was such a tray. You mean the feature is disabled in > > the US but not Canada, but you said North America which is Canada and > > the US and Mexico, but we in Canada usually think of North America as > > Canada and the US. What has Phillips to do with anything? Do they make the > > tray? > > Philips owns the patent for CDs. From my understanding Epson shells > money their way to print on CDs. > > The feature is disabled in North America, as in USA Mexico, Canada. > South America too from my understanding. this gent, Golgota in Peru > for example didn't have the feature enabled on his. If the feature is disabled on printers in all of North America (US, Canada,Mexico), how can you use it no matter where you got the parts? > Near as I'm aware it's an American thing, but the feature is disabled > on all printers shipped near America including Peru. > > > The photos I print on my ip1500 seem OK. I thought all black carts were > > the same so didn't consider if another black would be better or not. As > > far as I know, when you print color photos, there is always some black > > in them, but unless I had a 4000 or 4200 with the large darker black to > > compare the ip1500 with, I wouldn't know if the 4000 or 4200 photos > > looked any better or not. > > It's not a darker black, it's a dye black. Near as I'm aware the > ip1500 does not print photos with black, it mixes cyan maganta and > yellow to make black. Otherwise you would have a patch of black that > looks flat on your semi-gloss paper. Like black construction paper. I always thought black was used for color photo printing even if theres no black on the photo that you can see. > In the most simple terms possible, tripple the ink is used to make > black. Not a problem on photo paper. Matte paper gets somewhat soggy > but it does dry, but saying plain paper it uses the pigment black, and > solves the soggy problem. > > But if you never noticed a muddy black where it should be black, then > what you are using, the staples ink, should be just spiffy. I checked some of my indoor photos as thats the ones I printed most, and a couple of people are wearing black in the photo and the black looks ok. In some indoor photos I took, there is no black or at least none I can see. <snip> > Again, the condition the dye black gets used is when the blackness is > 80% or higher. Only under this conditioon would these two printers > print differently. This offers an edge in photos, perhaps some detail > to black as it's using 1/3 the volume as mixing three colors. > > But the fact remains... it's the only printer I can see that you can > buy in Canada which takes large Staples tanks. Assuming $7.00 a pop for > a thimble sized tank, that would be $20.00 in a big black tank assuming > 2.9x. The staples big black is $12.72 each, a savings of 37%. ip 3000/ ip4000 ? Just a thought. If I bought a new printer (anysay its been sitting around in a store or warehouse for a year or so, or you don't know how long its been sitting), would the carts in the printer be dried up? If you have two printers, and you used one most of the time, wouldn't you need to use your "backup printer" at least once a week to keep the ink flowing properly? > And you have an ip1500 with a perfectly good head which would likely > fetch a few bucks in the used circuit. And you can be honest about > it... "I bought a printer where the ink is cheaper, but you can't get > my printer anymore. They don't make this one either, and it takes > staples compatables". Thats if I got a new printer now, and don't open the new printhead or use the refurb printer. Mary
From: measekite on 18 Apr 2006 15:44 2 DOOZIES ANYYWAY ANOTHER ONE OF MY CLIENTS BOUGHT A CANON PRINTER AND 2 SETS OF CANON CARTS. WHEN HE ASKED ABOUT AFTERMARKET INK I SENT HIM TO THIS NG AND HE READ MANY POSTS LIKE THIS AND HE QUICKLY GOT DA MESSAGE. Mary wrote: >"zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message > > > >>>I see what you mean about Yanks want the parts (the tray I guess) I >>>didn't know there was such a tray. You mean the feature is disabled >>> >>> >in > > >>>the US but not Canada, but you said North America which is Canada >>> >>> >and > > >>>the US and Mexico, but we in Canada usually think of North America >>> >>> >as > > >>>Canada and the US. What has Phillips to do with anything? Do they >>> >>> >make the > > >>>tray? >>> >>> >>Philips owns the patent for CDs. From my understanding Epson shells >>money their way to print on CDs. >> >>The feature is disabled in North America, as in USA Mexico, Canada. >>South America too from my understanding. this gent, Golgota in Peru >>for example didn't have the feature enabled on his. >> >> > >If the feature is disabled on printers in all of North America (US, >Canada,Mexico), how can you use it no matter where you got the parts? > > > >>Near as I'm aware it's an American thing, but the feature is disabled >>on all printers shipped near America including Peru. >> >> >> >>>The photos I print on my ip1500 seem OK. I thought all black carts >>> >>> >were > > >>>the same so didn't consider if another black would be better or not. >>> >>> >As > > >>>far as I know, when you print color photos, there is always some >>> >>> >black > > >>>in them, but unless I had a 4000 or 4200 with the large darker black >>> >>> >to > > >>>compare the ip1500 with, I wouldn't know if the 4000 or 4200 photos >>>looked any better or not. >>> >>> >>It's not a darker black, it's a dye black. Near as I'm aware the >>ip1500 does not print photos with black, it mixes cyan maganta and >>yellow to make black. Otherwise you would have a patch of black that >>looks flat on your semi-gloss paper. Like black construction paper. >> >> > >I always thought black was used for color photo printing even if theres >no black on the photo that you can see. > > > >>In the most simple terms possible, tripple the ink is used to make >>black. Not a problem on photo paper. Matte paper gets somewhat soggy >>but it does dry, but saying plain paper it uses the pigment black, and >>solves the soggy problem. >> >>But if you never noticed a muddy black where it should be black, then >>what you are using, the staples ink, should be just spiffy. >> >> > >I checked some of my indoor photos as thats the ones I printed most, and >a couple of people are wearing black in the photo and the black looks >ok. In some indoor photos I took, there is no black or at least none I >can see. > ><snip> > > > >>Again, the condition the dye black gets used is when the blackness is >>80% or higher. Only under this conditioon would these two printers >>print differently. This offers an edge in photos, perhaps some detail >>to black as it's using 1/3 the volume as mixing three colors. >> >>But the fact remains... it's the only printer I can see that you can >>buy in Canada which takes large Staples tanks. Assuming $7.00 a pop >> >> >for > > >>a thimble sized tank, that would be $20.00 in a big black tank >> >> >assuming > > >>2.9x. The staples big black is $12.72 each, a savings of 37%. >> >> > >ip 3000/ ip4000 ? > >Just a thought. If I bought a new printer (anysay its been sitting >around in a store or warehouse for a year or so, or you don't know how >long its been sitting), would the carts in the printer be dried up? If >you have two printers, and you used one most of the time, wouldn't you >need to use your "backup printer" at least once a week to keep the ink >flowing properly? > > > >>And you have an ip1500 with a perfectly good head which would likely >>fetch a few bucks in the used circuit. And you can be honest about >>it... "I bought a printer where the ink is cheaper, but you can't get >>my printer anymore. They don't make this one either, and it takes >>staples compatables". >> >> > >Thats if I got a new printer now, and don't open the new printhead or >use the refurb printer. > >Mary > > >
From: zakezuke on 18 Apr 2006 15:46 Mary wrote: > > The feature is disabled in North America, as in USA Mexico, Canada. > > South America too from my understanding. this gent, Golgota in Peru > > for example didn't have the feature enabled on his. > > If the feature is disabled on printers in all of North America (US, > Canada,Mexico), how can you use it no matter where you got the parts? You enable the feature. Your ip1500 for example had a setting for destination... in your case Japan or not Japan. The ip3000/4000/5000 etc etc etc have a setting for a few countries. Set the printer to Europe for example, and CD printing is enabled. This info is in the service manual. The part is nothing more than a plastic tray about 2.8mm or so with a couple of alignment reflectors. This is something you can make from a cerial box, or buy on E-bay, or even perhaps from Canon Canada's parts department. Now, I think Canon is missing a bet here. They didn't want to pay the license fee for Phillips for all of their printers yet there are users willing to shell out US$20 a pop for these trays. They could easily sell the software that would enable the feature and the tray, this would be most trivial. But for whatever reason they prefer doing it this way, probally because they get to add a feature at no extra cost. > I always thought black was used for color photo printing even if theres > no black on the photo that you can see. >From my understanding, "black" is only used when a given pixel is actually black, and even then if it's 80% black or higher. Greys are done in color. > I checked some of my indoor photos as thats the ones I printed most, and > a couple of people are wearing black in the photo and the black looks > ok. In some indoor photos I took, there is no black or at least none I > can see. Then you should be fine. I can't judge stuff i've never met... but if the ip1500 does OK on the staples ink for photos, and assuming it's the same ink which it is Image Specalists's ink, it would be fine. > Just a thought. If I bought a new printer (anysay its been sitting > around in a store or warehouse for a year or so, or you don't know how > long its been sitting), would the carts in the printer be dried up? If > you have two printers, and you used one most of the time, wouldn't you > need to use your "backup printer" at least once a week to keep the ink > flowing properly? The cartridges are sealed in plastic. The big exit hole covered with a silicone gasket, and a tight seal of plastic around it. Offical shelf life I believe is 2 years, but i'm not sure. You'd have to ask canon for their offical number. If you dont' plan to use the printer for months, it might be wise to store used tanks in a ziplock bag with a moist towel to prevent drying. The head can be cleaned with windex and toilet paper, about 6 sheets, applying firm pressure till you see ink on the screen and pulling quickly. This will take a while, and you might enjoy just placing the head in a dish with the toilet paper with windex and allow most of the ink to flow into the toilet paper. If the printhead has never been used, not an issue. The ip3000/4000 have a procedure for cleaning if you've not used it for a while, the longer the more ink is spewed, up to about a gram for the big black, 1/3 gram for the color I believe. > Thats if I got a new printer now, and don't open the new printhead or > use the refurb printer. And assuming the prices for the ink are typicaly what you would spend. > But the fact remains... it's the only printer I can see that you can > buy in Canada which takes large Staples tanks. Assuming $7.00 a pop > for a thimble sized tank, that would be $20.00 in a big black tank >assuming 2.9x. The staples big black is $12.72 each, a savings of 37%. > ip 3000/ ip4000 ? The ip4000 takes the same ink, and uses it much in the same way, except it has that extra black, which it uses there and abouts of 1/4 as often as the color tanks, at least in my case. In one scenero the ip4000 would be lower than the ip3000, in the fact that for blacks it uses 1/3 less volume in ink. On the other hand, cleaning cycles do use the ink if you don't use the tank. Assuming it's totally wasted add about Canadian $1.12 per tank cost on the ip3000 to = the ip4000. You can directly compare the ip1500 and ip3000 as they use the exact same ink. The ip4000 would certinaly cost less to operate if you were printing images of gothic churches at night without a flash, and even then the black only kicks in if it's actually black, 80% black. But in contrast to what you got, assuming $7 and $21 for the ip1500, expect the ip3000 to cost less by 30% to 40% and comes with the equlivent of $100.00 in staples compatable ink for your current printer It comes with the equilivent of $70.98 of OEM ink for the ip3000. A brief review 1. The ip3000 at $75 costs less from the get go than the ip1500 assuming $7 and $20.96 a tank. If you can buy tanks for $11.57 for the color and black for $4.64, than the cost would be the same assuming $12.72 black 3 x $13.46 color at staples. It costs about 4 bucks more than the name brand ink it comes with. 2. It's got a bigger diaper. Its diaper, assuming it's the same size as the ip3000 which is likely as the printers are the same size is 1700. 1700=full. I have no idea what this means in terms of grams or ml but this is a number which you can find out your self with cryptic button presses. You can have "some" clue as to the condition of the diaper. 3. It's a printer that folk in this group would know jack about. While most went ip4000, they are the same case, the head is identical except for the ink carrier and the ip3000 doesn't use one set of nozzles. 4. It's not as cool as the ip4000, but you can't get the ip4000. Investment in this printer costs less than what you would normally spend in ink for your ip1500, assuming you spend more than $4.64 for the black, and $11.57 for a tri color, and assuming $12.72 black 3 x $13.46. 5. You are not spending money on a printer, but rather ink, which happens to cost less than the ink you would normally buy, if you were to buy more than you usually do. And it just so happens to come with a printer, which is better than than what you've got. While i'm sure you wouldn't nessicarly notice a stellar upgrade in terms of print quality, it does have a bigger head, and more memory for dithering. It would be an improvement.... that'll have less long term costs. It'll be faster too, have extra trays... for example plain paper in the bottom, photo paper in the top, spiffy covers which you can flip down to prevent dust from getting in there. 6.. Your referb ip1500 you can sell for a percent of the cost of the ip3000, and say to the buyer in all honesty "I bought something that costs 35% less to operate, but you can't buy it anymore, you can't buy this one anymore either. Takes staples compatables". You upgrade, you lower costs, and you do someone else a favor.
From: Mary on 23 Apr 2006 00:39
Zak, I'm a bit behind in posts now so didn't get a chance to reply to this message. "zakezuke" <zakezuke_us(a)yahoo.com> wrote in message news:1145389564.139696.110040(a)v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com... > Mary wrote: > > > > The feature is disabled in North America, as in USA Mexico, Canada. > > > South America too from my understanding. this gent, Golgota in Peru > > > for example didn't have the feature enabled on his. > > > > If the feature is disabled on printers in all of North America (US, > > Canada,Mexico), how can you use it no matter where you got the parts? > > You enable the feature. Your ip1500 for example had a setting for > destination... in your case Japan or not Japan. The ip3000/4000/5000 > etc etc etc have a setting for a few countries. Set the printer to > Europe for example, and CD printing is enabled. This info is in the > service manual. There is no setting on ip1500 for any other countries, or I can't see anything about that. Just in the iptool menu and though it said Japan and Europe, it didn't matter what I said, it was still in English. I got the refurb ip1500 yesterday sent from Canon. I would have got it on Wednesday, but Puralator won't deliver to apt. buildings if the sender does not have your access code for the apt.. The access code is listed for everybody in my apt. lobby, but the Puralator guy doesn't have 10 seconds to push a button so he left even though I was sitting waiting for him. I had to make a re-delivery appointment They deliver from 8 a.m. to 5 pm, so you have to stay home till they come. Thats why I don't get anything delivered by courier. Its a hassle. Post is more popular and cheaper anyway and they leave a card in your mailbox to say they were there. I have to deal with Puralator one more time on and phone them on Monday so I will have to stay in again another day next week, for the pickup. The refurb 1500 seems to work ok except for one thing. -The status monitor which tells you how much ink is left in the cartridges doesn't seem to work. The color and the black carts, stay looking like they are full, but I know they are not. I had to change the black ink cart today and it still showed full even when it was low and again when it needed replaced. I checked in printer properties in Maintenance where you set you want low ink warning and it has a checkmark, and so does "show ink status". It was ok on my previous ip1500. It doesn't matter much if you are only printing one or two pages, but if you are printing a bunch, and the ink cart runs out, you wouldn't know in advance, so thats not too convenient.I can't think of anything that would fix the problem. I might just be stuck with it. I don't know about the other printer you gave me the URL for. I don't particularly like the store who has it and had a bad experience with them. They have changed names, but have the same products and policies. One time I took something back after a couple of weeks - I think it was a cordless phone which didn't work properly. I said I wanted my money back and they made a big fuss and said the phone worked ok at their store. It ended up that they said I would have to pay a 5% restocking fee which I just paid to get finished with them. They are not like dealing with Staples or Future shop or Best buy. If it had been one of those stores, I might have got it. I phoned one store a half hour drive from me, and they said those the printers are display models which have been on the shelf for a while- none are new in a box.. Most were sold out when you found the URL. I guess I will just keep the refurb ip1500 I got from Canon and hope it lasts for a while. I printed a few photos this afternoon and the pink cast I was getting with my other printer, is gone now and photos look fine. I had to put in the new print head of course. Maybe in a few months I will see something else I want to buy not the ip4200 unless it gets Staples compatibles. The ip4200 is on sale $20.00 off this week but that doesn't tempt me to buy. Mary |