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From: Jonathan Goldberg on 19 Nov 2009 11:32 On Tue, 17 Nov 2009 19:08:49 -0500, Kevin Wu <kwu0914(a)GMAIL.COM> wrote: >Hello SAS_L, > >In order to use SAS on mainframe, what are the most basic knowledge of z/OS >which someone should have? > >Appreciate if you can recommend some learning material to let mainframe >newbie >ramp up quickly. > >Thanks in advance! > >Kevin Returning from the thrilling days of yesteryear to the land of comparative sanity: The reading assignments the collective wisdom of SAS-L is assigning Kevin are a little off the deep end, UNLESS Kevin is planning on working on the mainframe intensively and for a long time. You're telling him less what he needs to know and more what there is to know. I learned my JCL from the IBM docs and Gary deWard Brown's book, which is still available, shorter than the Lowe and Menendez book (which I don't know), and available in an edition updated from the latest release. Kevin, what you need to know depends on what you intend to do. The most realistic suggestion was to consult a local guru. There is a reason most people not as masochistic as I and others here learn the least jcl possible. Note that IBM has put the complete JCL documentation online and made it publically available, just as the SAS documentation is. Besides reference material, the examples there may help you. Somewhere there's undoubtedly a IBM-L, like this group, which can help you with specific questions (unless they flame you to a crisp first. The almost zero flame level of this group is one of its best points). As for the nostalgia for the ISPF editor, which I don't share (to say the least), I'd like to point out that the original PC SAS text editor is an ISPF clone, line numbers and all. It's still there. (The CMS editor was MUCH better. It had some facilities I occasionally miss, but I still wouldn't go back. Comment: there are real reasons that the newer editor is called "enhanced." But, if you want some practice with the ISPF editor it's available. It has a change command that will act globally or within the selection, albeit one without regular expressions. The mainframe is not a regular expression kind of place.
From: John Burton on 19 Nov 2009 15:20 On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 8:54 PM, Philip Rack <PhilRack(a)minequest.com> wrote: > Is this what you are thinking about? > > http://www.commandtechnology.com/main.asp?pg=home > > Man, there's a lot of dinosaurs on this list serve! Anyone ever use Wylbur > instead of TSO? > > Philip Rack > MineQuest, LLC > SAS & WPS Consulting and WPS Reseller > Tel: (614) 457-3714 > Web: www.MineQuest.com > Blog: www.MineQuest.com/WordPress Philip, That's seems to be a newer improved version. Yes, I do remember Wylbur and HATED it!!! It was much more restrictiove that TSO. Using Wylbur was like programming with one hand tied behind your back. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 7:37 AM, Nathaniel Wooding <nathaniel.wooding(a)dom.com> wrote: > Ray > > Guess what: it was called ISPF PC. Our mutual friend "Dave N." was > a user as I recall. I just did a quick search for it and found some hits > but the one link that I had time to follow failed. Nat, that was it. Ray
From: John Burton on 19 Nov 2009 15:25 On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Savian <savian.net(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > ISPF was an awesome editor...for its time and in a non-GUI interface. > > Visual Studios is by far the best editor I have ever worked with. Alan, The editor I like best now is UltraEdit32. It's very powerful and has an excellent compare tool to compare two versions of a program (or data flatfile). Also, it can be configured to look like the SAS Display Manager editor, but is much, much better. I haven't tried Visual Studio to see which is better. Ray Burton Chattanooga TN
From: Savian on 19 Nov 2009 21:24 On Nov 19, 1:25 pm, jrburtonsas...(a)GMAIL.COM (John Burton) wrote: > On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Savian <savian....(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > ISPF was an awesome editor...for its time and in a non-GUI interface. > > > Visual Studios is by far the best editor I have ever worked with. > > Alan, > > The editor I like best now is UltraEdit32. It's very powerful and has > an excellent compare tool to compare two versions of a program (or > data flatfile). Also, it can be configured to look like the SAS > Display Manager editor, but is much, much better. > > I haven't tried Visual Studio to see which is better. > > Ray Burton > Chattanooga TN Ray, I use UltraEdit every single day and have paid for a lifetime subscription for it and UltraCompare. I have also supported it since almost the beginning. That said, it has no bearing on Visual Studios and is not comparable. If you have to use a raw text editor, go with UE. If you have to deal with supported languages in VS, UE does not stand up for coding. Keep in mind also that VS is something like a 3GB install so it has a boatload of code (and functionality). Once you work with VS it is hard to go back. In comparison to the Enhanced Editor, why can't we type in 'proc' and have a popup appear with all available procs on your machine? Why don't we have have code snippets or drag and drop code segments? Why can't we highlight code and press a comment button to have it comment/uncomment? Why don't we have automatic error detectors or debug stops? Why don't we have debug conditionals? I could go on and on but that list will make my point. At the end of the day, the SAS editor has been abandoned for verticals. SAS focuses more on vertical markets than the underlying coders who make it all happen. Where are the better editors that can and should be built? SAS has the lexical parsers to handle this one so it is in their hands. Off soapbox and out in left field.... Alan http://www.savian.net
From: John Burton on 23 Nov 2009 23:28
On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 9:24 PM, Savian <savian.net(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Nov 19, 1:25 pm, jrburtonsas...(a)GMAIL.COM (John Burton) wrote: >> On Wed, Nov 18, 2009 at 8:49 PM, Savian <savian....(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > ISPF was an awesome editor...for its time and in a non-GUI interface. >> >> > Visual Studios is by far the best editor I have ever worked with. >> >> Alan, >> >> The editor I like best now is UltraEdit32. It's very powerful and has >> an excellent compare tool to compare two versions of a program (or >> data flatfile). Also, it can be configured to look like the SAS >> Display Manager editor, but is much, much better. >> >> I haven't tried Visual Studio to see which is better. >> >> Ray Burton >> Chattanooga TN > > Ray, > > I use UltraEdit every single day and have paid for a lifetime subscription for it and UltraCompare. I have also supported it since almost the beginning. That said, it has no bearing on Visual Studios and is not comparable. If you have to use a raw text editor, go with UE. If you have to deal with supported languages in VS, UE does not stand up for coding. > > Keep in mind also that VS is something like a 3GB install so it has a boatload of code (and functionality). > > Once you work with VS it is hard to go back. In comparison to the Enhanced Editor, why can't we type in 'proc' and have a popup appear with all available procs on your machine? Why don't we have have code snippets or drag and drop code segments? Why can't we highlight code and press a comment button to have it comment/uncomment? Why don't we have automatic error detectors or debug stops? Why don't we have debug conditionals? I could go on and on but that list will make my point. > > At the end of the day, the SAS editor has been abandoned for verticals. SAS focuses more on vertical markets than the underlying coders who make it all happen. Where are the better editors that can and should be built? SAS has the lexical parsers to handle this one so it is in their hands. > > Off soapbox and out in left field.... > > Alan > http://www.savian.net > Alan, Not having had the chance to experience VS I have been in the dark regarding it merits. It sounds like a very capable tool. I look forward to the chance to use it. Your suggestions for an advanced editor that would enhance our programming is very insightful. I too recognize that SAS I. no longer focuses on the coders who get the job done instead focusing on those above that level or even those with no coding experience at and and no desire whatsoever to understand the concepts of logic and programming, just click and drag. I have worked with and for many like that. Usually, thier work is good for only ad-hoc sort of report generation and many times once the data or logic has been validated, it is left lacking due to logic errors or inefficient design. Off my soapbox, too. I will have to look into VS and hope to find a place enlightened enough to allow its use. Best Cheers, Ray |