From: Leythos on
In article <25DDD445-AD40-436B-86D5-20CA39F16EB7(a)microsoft.com>, Joe2
@discussions.microsoft.com says...
>
> Hum, I stated my question incorrectly. I knew it could be on one box using VM
> for both. My question is can they both be on one physical box, as they exist
> in SBS2003, with SQL running inside of SBS2008? That is what I seem to be
> reading in some of the post??

We're going to find out soon, at one of my customers.

We just moved from SBS 2003 Prem to SBS 2008 Std because they didn't
need SQL, but, after a few months it appears they want to add a CRM
package and it integrates with their production tracking ACCESS
(currently) database package. The vendor that provides both packages
stated they need to have MS SQL and can't support Access...

We're going to be installing a stand-alone SQL on top of the SBS 2008
Standard, but it's a Dell 610 series with dual CPU's and will be
upgraded to 16GB RAM (only 11 users total).

I may look into a SBS 2008 Std to Prem upgrade, but I've not looked into
it yet.



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From: Charlie Russel - MVP on
Not less than 6, even for a tiny office. 8 GB a more realistic minimum for
1-5 users. 12 is gettting to the small office sweet spot. Without SQL. As
you go beyond that very small office, move up in RAM as required. I'm
guessing that at 50 users and above you'll need to be at 24 or 32 GB of RAM,
depending on the Exchange load.

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"Joe#2" <Joe2(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
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> All this time with SBS2003, weve had 4gigs of memory and did everything
> inside of that, like it or not. 1 user or 75 users, ISA, SQL, or what
> ever -
> still 4 gigs.
>
> Now I am getting ready to migrate some users to SBS 2008 and can go to
> what
> 4 terabyes of memory? What would that be for, a replacement of a old Cray
> computer!!!
>
> Anyway, Obviously I could still use 4 gigs on the new box, or inthe case
> of
> SQL, a new box with 4 gigs on it too.
>
> BUT! I always wonder, should I go with mayby 6gigs, or 12 gigs? It does
> add
> not a small cost to the customer.
>
> Those of you that have done SBS2008, generally speaking is there a sweet
> spot that is really a minimum perhaps? From a PRACTICAL viewpoint, is
> there a
> reasonable figure to start out with?

From: Russ (SBITS.Biz) [SBS-MVP] on
Thanks Larry

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"Larry Struckmeyer[SBS-MVP]" <lstruckmeyer(a)mis-wizards.com> wrote in message
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> Yes, one physical box is allowed, but not recommended. No application
> "ought" to be on a DC, but with SBS the team makes exceptions. Also, the
> hardware (memory) requirements are such now that both SQL and Exchange
> might, could, may, sometimes can put a strain on a single server. (Don't
> want anyone to say that I said you should not run Exchange and SQL on one
> physical box because of memory constraints. Maybe you should and maybe
> you shouldn't for a whole host of reasons.)
>
>
From: Brian Cryer on
"Joe#2" <Joe2(a)discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message
news:B75372D1-9D1B-4532-A67F-4B9F80B52F49(a)microsoft.com...
> All this time with SBS2003, weve had 4gigs of memory and did everything
> inside of that, like it or not. 1 user or 75 users, ISA, SQL, or what
> ever -
> still 4 gigs.
>
> Now I am getting ready to migrate some users to SBS 2008 and can go to
> what
> 4 terabyes of memory? What would that be for, a replacement of a old Cray
> computer!!!

You find a motherboard that will let you install 4TB of RAM! (grin)

> Anyway, Obviously I could still use 4 gigs on the new box, or inthe case
> of
> SQL, a new box with 4 gigs on it too.
>
> BUT! I always wonder, should I go with mayby 6gigs, or 12 gigs? It does
> add
> not a small cost to the customer.

My experience with a low number of users (like with Charlie) is that 6GB
seems to be a realistic minimum. I have 8GB in my SBS box but according to
task manager its only using 6GB.

Whether you need more than that depends on what you intend to be doing with
it and how many users you have. If you are not sure then I suggest starting
with 8GB but making sure that you have room to expand later to 16GB (or
perhaps 32GB).

> Those of you that have done SBS2008, generally speaking is there a sweet
> spot that is really a minimum perhaps? From a PRACTICAL viewpoint, is
> there a
> reasonable figure to start out with?

Less than 10 users I'd expect 8GB to be adequate (assuming no heavy third
party aps on the server). Beyond that and I can't speak from experience
(yet!)
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From: Joe#2 on
Thanks all for the input. Just the information I needed. I tried to check
answered on all of the replys but apparently it only allows one.

"Joe#2" wrote:

> All this time with SBS2003, weve had 4gigs of memory and did everything
> inside of that, like it or not. 1 user or 75 users, ISA, SQL, or what ever -
> still 4 gigs.
>
> Now I am getting ready to migrate some users to SBS 2008 and can go to what
> 4 terabyes of memory? What would that be for, a replacement of a old Cray
> computer!!!
>
> Anyway, Obviously I could still use 4 gigs on the new box, or inthe case of
> SQL, a new box with 4 gigs on it too.
>
> BUT! I always wonder, should I go with mayby 6gigs, or 12 gigs? It does add
> not a small cost to the customer.
>
> Those of you that have done SBS2008, generally speaking is there a sweet
> spot that is really a minimum perhaps? From a PRACTICAL viewpoint, is there a
> reasonable figure to start out with?