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From: Russ (SBITS.Biz) [SBS-MVP] on 21 Jun 2010 06:01 Sorry Pangaea I'm going to have to disagree with you, an i7 in Servers? I would never recommend any Desktop Processor in a Server Xeon Processors are for Servers, i7's are for PC's PC Pentium, i3, i5, i7. Processors for Desktops http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/ Server Xeon Processors http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/products/server/processor/ IMO A PC is not a Server and a Server is never a PC (Cross Dressing is not allowed.) And if you are doing Disk Caching to disk, IMO the server is not designed correctly A server should NEVER have to use Disks for Memory, if it is designed correctly. I know this is a Difference of Opinion, and you may think I'm mean. but IMO there is a reason why Intel designs a chip for a PC and one for a Server. (And it isn't just marketing.) Russ -- Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC Remote Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.BPOSMadeEasy.com Easy Redirect to Microsoft's New SBS Public Forum - www.SBSRepair.com "Pangaea Computing Systems" <repand(a)gmail.com> wrote in message news:93512120-be0f-488d-8880-016220bc0d3b(a)w12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com... > On Jun 19, 11:22 am, "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" > <r...(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote: >> Cliff if you tweak your SQL usage from running away and you can get it >> to >> run at 6 consistently :) >> Even with 10 or more users >> Russ >> >> -- >> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] >> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC >> Small Business Server/Computer Support -www.SBITS.Biz >> BPOS - Microsoft Online Services -www.BPOSMadeEasy.com >> Easy Redirect to Microsoft's New SBS Public Support Forum - SBSRepair.com >> >> "Cliff Galiher - MVP" <cgali...(a)gmail.com> wrote in >> messagenews:0DE13BCA-1387-41C0-BBEA-C2AB3852B734(a)microsoft.com... >> >> >> >> > I've found that SBS "runs" on 8 gigs. But even in a test lab with no >> > users, the performance difference between 8 and 12 is significant. >> > Realistically that means for regular use without regular reboots, I >> > recommend 16 as a good sweet spot for accommodating near-term growth. >> >> > -- >> > Cliff Galiher >> > Microsoft has opened the Small Business Server forum on Technet! Check >> > it >> > out! >> >http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-us/smallbusinessserver/... >> > Addicted to newsgroups? Read about the NNTP Bridge for MS Forums. > > Guys; > I have carefully observed SBS08 servers with Exchange & SQL. Both with > about 10 users. I did use 8GB... but I went to 12Gb and the servers > run much better. Less caching to disk. > Note: that modern motherboards use memory in pairs or in triplets. If > you have a Core i 7 or Nehalem (LGA 1366) server then you will have a > minimum of 6GB. The next jump will be to 12GB anyway. If it is an LGA > 1156 server then memory is used in pairs and 2GB sticks are the best > price point for DDR3 memory. So you progress from 4GB,8GB or 12GB etc. > > You MUST consider that if the customer wants to expand in the future, > you may not find compatible memory at a good price point. In short: > get that memory now. 3 years from now your customer will love you. > Rafi
From: Charlie Russel - MVP on 21 Jun 2010 12:51 The Xeon equivalents are still considered "i7", Russ. So yes, I'm fine with that. -- Charlie. http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel "Russ (SBITS.Biz) [SBS-MVP]" <russ(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message news:3C9DB7A2-5366-4AD1-BECC-C5BF005AF7F9(a)microsoft.com... > Sorry Pangaea > > I'm going to have to disagree with you, an i7 in Servers? > I would never recommend any Desktop Processor in a Server > Xeon Processors are for Servers, i7's are for PC's > > PC Pentium, i3, i5, i7. Processors for Desktops > http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/ > > Server Xeon Processors > http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/products/server/processor/ > > IMO A PC is not a Server and a Server is never a PC > (Cross Dressing is not allowed.) > > And if you are doing Disk Caching to disk, IMO the server is not designed > correctly > A server should NEVER have to use Disks for Memory, if it is designed > correctly. > > I know this is a Difference of Opinion, and you may think I'm mean. > but IMO there is a reason why Intel designs a chip for a PC and one for a > Server. > (And it isn't just marketing.) > Russ > > -- > Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] > MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC > Remote Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz > BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.BPOSMadeEasy.com > Easy Redirect to Microsoft's New SBS Public Forum - www.SBSRepair.com > > "Pangaea Computing Systems" <repand(a)gmail.com> wrote in message > news:93512120-be0f-488d-8880-016220bc0d3b(a)w12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com... >> On Jun 19, 11:22 am, "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" >> <r...(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote: >>> Cliff if you tweak your SQL usage from running away and you can get it >>> to >>> run at 6 consistently :) >>> Even with 10 or more users >>> Russ >>> >>> -- >>> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] >>> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC >>> Small Business Server/Computer Support -www.SBITS.Biz >>> BPOS - Microsoft Online Services -www.BPOSMadeEasy.com >>> Easy Redirect to Microsoft's New SBS Public Support Forum - >>> SBSRepair.com >>> >>> "Cliff Galiher - MVP" <cgali...(a)gmail.com> wrote in >>> messagenews:0DE13BCA-1387-41C0-BBEA-C2AB3852B734(a)microsoft.com... >>> >>> >>> >>> > I've found that SBS "runs" on 8 gigs. But even in a test lab with no >>> > users, the performance difference between 8 and 12 is significant. >>> > Realistically that means for regular use without regular reboots, I >>> > recommend 16 as a good sweet spot for accommodating near-term growth. >>> >>> > -- >>> > Cliff Galiher >>> > Microsoft has opened the Small Business Server forum on Technet! >>> > Check it >>> > out! >>> >http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-us/smallbusinessserver/... >>> > Addicted to newsgroups? Read about the NNTP Bridge for MS Forums. >> >> Guys; >> I have carefully observed SBS08 servers with Exchange & SQL. Both with >> about 10 users. I did use 8GB... but I went to 12Gb and the servers >> run much better. Less caching to disk. >> Note: that modern motherboards use memory in pairs or in triplets. If >> you have a Core i 7 or Nehalem (LGA 1366) server then you will have a >> minimum of 6GB. The next jump will be to 12GB anyway. If it is an LGA >> 1156 server then memory is used in pairs and 2GB sticks are the best >> price point for DDR3 memory. So you progress from 4GB,8GB or 12GB etc. >> >> You MUST consider that if the customer wants to expand in the future, >> you may not find compatible memory at a good price point. In short: >> get that memory now. 3 years from now your customer will love you. >> Rafi >
From: Russ (SBITS.Biz) [SBS-MVP] on 21 Jun 2010 17:02 So there are i7 "Servers" that are really servers? not PC's Pretending to be Servers? ???? Russ -- Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC Remote Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.BPOSMadeEasy.com Easy Redirect to Microsoft's New SBS Public Forum - www.SBSRepair.com "Charlie Russel - MVP" <Charlie(a)mvKILLALLSPAMMERSps.org> wrote in message news:70E35E4F-D3A5-43F8-B893-85712A37925D(a)microsoft.com... > The Xeon equivalents are still considered "i7", Russ. So yes, I'm fine > with that. > > -- > Charlie. > http://msmvps.com/blogs/russel > > > > > "Russ (SBITS.Biz) [SBS-MVP]" <russ(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote in message > news:3C9DB7A2-5366-4AD1-BECC-C5BF005AF7F9(a)microsoft.com... >> Sorry Pangaea >> >> I'm going to have to disagree with you, an i7 in Servers? >> I would never recommend any Desktop Processor in a Server >> Xeon Processors are for Servers, i7's are for PC's >> >> PC Pentium, i3, i5, i7. Processors for Desktops >> http://www.intel.com/products/desktop/ >> >> Server Xeon Processors >> http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/products/server/processor/ >> >> IMO A PC is not a Server and a Server is never a PC >> (Cross Dressing is not allowed.) >> >> And if you are doing Disk Caching to disk, IMO the server is not designed >> correctly >> A server should NEVER have to use Disks for Memory, if it is designed >> correctly. >> >> I know this is a Difference of Opinion, and you may think I'm mean. >> but IMO there is a reason why Intel designs a chip for a PC and one for a >> Server. >> (And it isn't just marketing.) >> Russ >> >> -- >> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] >> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC >> Remote Small Business Server/Computer Support - www.SBITS.Biz >> BPOS - Microsoft Online Services - www.BPOSMadeEasy.com >> Easy Redirect to Microsoft's New SBS Public Forum - www.SBSRepair.com >> >> "Pangaea Computing Systems" <repand(a)gmail.com> wrote in message >> news:93512120-be0f-488d-8880-016220bc0d3b(a)w12g2000yqj.googlegroups.com... >>> On Jun 19, 11:22 am, "Russ SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP]" >>> <r...(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz> wrote: >>>> Cliff if you tweak your SQL usage from running away and you can get it >>>> to >>>> run at 6 consistently :) >>>> Even with 10 or more users >>>> Russ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Russell Grover - SBITS.Biz [SBS-MVP] >>>> MCP, MCPS, MCNPS, SBSC >>>> Small Business Server/Computer Support -www.SBITS.Biz >>>> BPOS - Microsoft Online Services -www.BPOSMadeEasy.com >>>> Easy Redirect to Microsoft's New SBS Public Support Forum - >>>> SBSRepair.com >>>> >>>> "Cliff Galiher - MVP" <cgali...(a)gmail.com> wrote in >>>> messagenews:0DE13BCA-1387-41C0-BBEA-C2AB3852B734(a)microsoft.com... >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> > I've found that SBS "runs" on 8 gigs. But even in a test lab with no >>>> > users, the performance difference between 8 and 12 is significant. >>>> > Realistically that means for regular use without regular reboots, I >>>> > recommend 16 as a good sweet spot for accommodating near-term growth. >>>> >>>> > -- >>>> > Cliff Galiher >>>> > Microsoft has opened the Small Business Server forum on Technet! >>>> > Check it >>>> > out! >>>> >http://social.technet.microsoft.com/Forums/en-us/smallbusinessserver/... >>>> > Addicted to newsgroups? Read about the NNTP Bridge for MS Forums. >>> >>> Guys; >>> I have carefully observed SBS08 servers with Exchange & SQL. Both with >>> about 10 users. I did use 8GB... but I went to 12Gb and the servers >>> run much better. Less caching to disk. >>> Note: that modern motherboards use memory in pairs or in triplets. If >>> you have a Core i 7 or Nehalem (LGA 1366) server then you will have a >>> minimum of 6GB. The next jump will be to 12GB anyway. If it is an LGA >>> 1156 server then memory is used in pairs and 2GB sticks are the best >>> price point for DDR3 memory. So you progress from 4GB,8GB or 12GB etc. >>> >>> You MUST consider that if the customer wants to expand in the future, >>> you may not find compatible memory at a good price point. In short: >>> get that memory now. 3 years from now your customer will love you. >>> Rafi >> >
From: Leythos on 21 Jun 2010 18:19 In article <4C69F3B0-27B4-4271-8E6A-3A38A0663C81(a)microsoft.com>, russ(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz says... > > So there are i7 "Servers" that are really servers? > not PC's Pretending to be Servers? > ???? > Russ http://www.intel.com/p/en_US/products/server/processor -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address)
From: Leythos on 21 Jun 2010 18:27
In article <4C69F3B0-27B4-4271-8E6A-3A38A0663C81(a)microsoft.com>, russ(a)REMOVETHIS.sbits.biz says... > > So there are i7 "Servers" that are really servers? > not PC's Pretending to be Servers? > ???? > Russ The key differences between the i7 series and the Xeon series is: Xeon has more cores, with the exception the lowest end CPU version which have 4 cores, most have 6 or 8 cores. Xeon has more cache - 12mb to 24mb of cache as opposed to 8mb With that being said, a cheaper CPU, say Dual Quad Core CPU's, will often be a better solution than a single CPU 8 Core CPU solution. -- You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that. Trust yourself. spam999free(a)rrohio.com (remove 999 for proper email address) |