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From: Ace Fekay [MVP-DS, MCT] on 14 Apr 2010 11:51 "Jim" <jim(a)dontwantspam.com> wrote in message news:hq42q0$17ca$1(a)energise.enta.net... > I've found this.. http://www.slipstick.com/exs/ex07/090514ms_search.asp > > Is this relevant ? Most of the users have Outlook 2003.. > > Jim. By default, Exchange 2007, the Search service is enabled. Is the MSSearch service running on the SBS? What version and mode is Outlook in? If in Cached mode, the client needs a search service installed, such as Windows Search. If in non-Cached Mode, meaning a real time connection to the Exchange server, it uses the Exchange 2007 search engine. Are there any event log error on the SBS or the workstation? Read more in the following links. MS Exchange Blog : Microsoft Exchange 2007 Search Basics Exchange Search depends on a full-text indexing and each mailbox database in Exchange 2007 has a full-text index associated with it. ... http://hellomate.typepad.com/exchange/2008/02/microsoft-excha.html From the You Had Me At EHLO MSExchangeTeam: You Had Me At EHLO... : Introduction to Exchange 2007 Search (Part 1) http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/09/14/452457.aspx You Had Me At EHLO... : Exchange 2007 Search - Part 2: Content Indexing http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/09/17/452528.aspx You Had Me At EHLO... : Exchange 2007 Search - Part 3: http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/10/15/452883.aspx -- Ace This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and confers no rights. Please reply back to the newsgroup or forum for collaboration benefit among responding engineers, and to help others benefit from your resolution. Ace Fekay, MVP, MCT, MCITP EA, MCTS Windows 2008 & Exchange 2007, MCSE & MCSA 2003/2000, MCSA Messaging 2003 Microsoft Certified Trainer Microsoft MVP - Directory Services If you feel this is an urgent issue and require immediate assistance, please contact Microsoft PSS directly. Please check http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone numbers.
From: Jim on 14 Apr 2010 14:29 Hi Ace, OK, heres another thing.. They have a Windows Server 2008 Terminal Server with Office 2003 / Outlook 2003 SP3 installed.. It works perfectly from there ! I'm also told they have a new Windows 7 laptop and that it works fine from there as well. Only seems to be an issue with the Windows XP PC's Would Windows Server 2008 and Windows 7 have Search Indexing as part of the OS by default ? I've just tried uninstall the Symantec SEP AV software...that doesn;t make any difference. So I've just disabled SMB signing on the SBS 2008 and doing a restart. I don't think that the XP PC's have Windows Search installed...perhaps I should do this then ? is this not a requirement for Exchange 2003 but *is* a desired requirement for Exchange 2007 then ? Meantime I'll check out your link. thanks Jim. "Ace Fekay [MVP-DS, MCT]" <aceman(a)mvps.RemoveThisPart.org> wrote in message news:#IsSip#2KHA.3568(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > "Jim" <jim(a)dontwantspam.com> wrote in message > news:hq42q0$17ca$1(a)energise.enta.net... >> I've found this.. http://www.slipstick.com/exs/ex07/090514ms_search.asp >> >> Is this relevant ? Most of the users have Outlook 2003.. >> >> Jim. > > > By default, Exchange 2007, the Search service is enabled. Is the MSSearch > service running on the SBS? > > What version and mode is Outlook in? > > If in Cached mode, the client needs a search service installed, such as > Windows Search. If in non-Cached Mode, meaning a real time connection to > the Exchange server, it uses the Exchange 2007 search engine. > > Are there any event log error on the SBS or the workstation? > > Read more in the following links. > > MS Exchange Blog : Microsoft Exchange 2007 Search Basics > Exchange Search depends on a full-text indexing and each mailbox database > in Exchange 2007 has a full-text index associated with it. ... > http://hellomate.typepad.com/exchange/2008/02/microsoft-excha.html > > > From the You Had Me At EHLO MSExchangeTeam: > > You Had Me At EHLO... : Introduction to Exchange 2007 Search (Part 1) > http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/09/14/452457.aspx > > You Had Me At EHLO... : Exchange 2007 Search - Part 2: Content Indexing > http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/09/17/452528.aspx > > You Had Me At EHLO... : Exchange 2007 Search - Part 3: > http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/10/15/452883.aspx > > -- > Ace > > This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and > confers no rights. > > Please reply back to the newsgroup or forum for collaboration benefit > among responding engineers, and to help others benefit from your > resolution. > > Ace Fekay, MVP, MCT, MCITP EA, MCTS Windows 2008 & Exchange 2007, MCSE & > MCSA 2003/2000, MCSA Messaging 2003 > Microsoft Certified Trainer > Microsoft MVP - Directory Services > > If you feel this is an urgent issue and require immediate assistance, > please contact Microsoft PSS directly. Please check > http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone numbers.
From: Jim on 14 Apr 2010 14:50 OK, I setup a test MAPI profile in Outlook with cached mode disabled...still didn't work That said what takes the time searching is this large MailArchive mailbox, not the users own mailbox. It used to search quickly when it was on SBS 2003 it's only ground to a crawl since SBS 2008.. But then again it searches OK from Windows 2008 Terminal Server desktops OK and a Windows 7 machine. So it seems Windows XP Pro related ? There isn't any Window Search indexer installed on the XP machines, I'll give that a go next. BTW all the Autotuning network features are disabled on SBS 2008 as per BPA recommendations. Jim. "Jim" <jim(a)dontwantspam.com> wrote in message news:hq51i7$2n9l$1(a)energise.enta.net... > Hi Ace, > > OK, heres another thing.. > > They have a Windows Server 2008 Terminal Server with Office 2003 / Outlook > 2003 SP3 installed.. > > It works perfectly from there ! > > I'm also told they have a new Windows 7 laptop and that it works fine from > there as well. > > Only seems to be an issue with the Windows XP PC's > > Would Windows Server 2008 and Windows 7 have Search Indexing as part of > the OS by default ? > > I've just tried uninstall the Symantec SEP AV software...that doesn;t make > any difference. > > So I've just disabled SMB signing on the SBS 2008 and doing a restart. > > I don't think that the XP PC's have Windows Search installed...perhaps I > should do this then ? is this not a requirement for Exchange 2003 but *is* > a desired requirement for Exchange 2007 then ? > > Meantime I'll check out your link. > > thanks > > Jim. > > > "Ace Fekay [MVP-DS, MCT]" <aceman(a)mvps.RemoveThisPart.org> wrote in > message news:#IsSip#2KHA.3568(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> "Jim" <jim(a)dontwantspam.com> wrote in message >> news:hq42q0$17ca$1(a)energise.enta.net... >>> I've found this.. http://www.slipstick.com/exs/ex07/090514ms_search.asp >>> >>> Is this relevant ? Most of the users have Outlook 2003.. >>> >>> Jim. >> >> >> By default, Exchange 2007, the Search service is enabled. Is the MSSearch >> service running on the SBS? >> >> What version and mode is Outlook in? >> >> If in Cached mode, the client needs a search service installed, such as >> Windows Search. If in non-Cached Mode, meaning a real time connection to >> the Exchange server, it uses the Exchange 2007 search engine. >> >> Are there any event log error on the SBS or the workstation? >> >> Read more in the following links. >> >> MS Exchange Blog : Microsoft Exchange 2007 Search Basics >> Exchange Search depends on a full-text indexing and each mailbox database >> in Exchange 2007 has a full-text index associated with it. ... >> http://hellomate.typepad.com/exchange/2008/02/microsoft-excha.html >> >> >> From the You Had Me At EHLO MSExchangeTeam: >> >> You Had Me At EHLO... : Introduction to Exchange 2007 Search (Part 1) >> http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/09/14/452457.aspx >> >> You Had Me At EHLO... : Exchange 2007 Search - Part 2: Content Indexing >> http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/09/17/452528.aspx >> >> You Had Me At EHLO... : Exchange 2007 Search - Part 3: >> http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2009/10/15/452883.aspx >> >> -- >> Ace >> >> This posting is provided "AS-IS" with no warranties or guarantees and >> confers no rights. >> >> Please reply back to the newsgroup or forum for collaboration benefit >> among responding engineers, and to help others benefit from your >> resolution. >> >> Ace Fekay, MVP, MCT, MCITP EA, MCTS Windows 2008 & Exchange 2007, MCSE & >> MCSA 2003/2000, MCSA Messaging 2003 >> Microsoft Certified Trainer >> Microsoft MVP - Directory Services >> >> If you feel this is an urgent issue and require immediate assistance, >> please contact Microsoft PSS directly. Please check >> http://support.microsoft.com for regional support phone numbers. >
From: Ace Fekay [MVP-DS, MCT] on 15 Apr 2010 10:19 "Jim" <jim(a)dontwantspam.com> wrote in message news:hq52ps$2pc4$1(a)energise.enta.net... > OK, I setup a test MAPI profile in Outlook with cached mode disabled...still > didn't work > > That said what takes the time searching is this large MailArchive mailbox, > not the users own mailbox. > > It used to search quickly when it was on SBS 2003 it's only ground to a > crawl since SBS 2008.. > > But then again it searches OK from Windows 2008 Terminal Server desktops OK > and a Windows 7 machine. > > So it seems Windows XP Pro related ? > > There isn't any Window Search indexer installed on the XP machines, I'll > give that a go next. > > BTW all the Autotuning network features are disabled on SBS 2008 as per BPA > recommendations. > > Jim. > To answer your previous question, Vista, 7 & 2008 have the Windows Desktop Search installed by default. XP would need it installed. It should have come across with a Windows Update unless you opted to disregard it. Also, if you try to search in Outlook, and it is installed, you may have an option to "Index" the mailbox or the (archive) PST. Ace
From: Jim on 15 Apr 2010 12:20
Hi Ace, Thanks for the info, have installed it from Windows Update. It has this additional mailbox selected and have left it indexing overnight. Contacted the user this morning, he says it hasn't made any difference. Another thing done at the same time on the XP PC's was the addition of add in Gigabit network cards. Guess it could be something to do with this, going to visit and investigate. Have already tried disabling network offload functions, made no difference. Also loading up a new clean PC with onboard gigabit network card with Windows XP and office 2003 to do some tests as their PC's have quite old XP installs. I'd rather be trying to prove or disprove issues with Outlook 2003 / indexing with a cleaner OS base. Let you know how it goes "Ace Fekay [MVP-DS, MCT]" <aceman(a)mvps.RemoveThisPart.org> wrote in message news:OZDCqaK3KHA.4028(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... "Jim" <jim(a)dontwantspam.com> wrote in message news:hq52ps$2pc4$1(a)energise.enta.net... > OK, I setup a test MAPI profile in Outlook with cached mode > disabled...still > didn't work > > That said what takes the time searching is this large MailArchive mailbox, > not the users own mailbox. > > It used to search quickly when it was on SBS 2003 it's only ground to a > crawl since SBS 2008.. > > But then again it searches OK from Windows 2008 Terminal Server desktops > OK > and a Windows 7 machine. > > So it seems Windows XP Pro related ? > > There isn't any Window Search indexer installed on the XP machines, I'll > give that a go next. > > BTW all the Autotuning network features are disabled on SBS 2008 as per > BPA > recommendations. > > Jim. > To answer your previous question, Vista, 7 & 2008 have the Windows Desktop Search installed by default. XP would need it installed. It should have come across with a Windows Update unless you opted to disregard it. Also, if you try to search in Outlook, and it is installed, you may have an option to "Index" the mailbox or the (archive) PST. Ace |