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From: PD on 17 Jul 2010 13:13 On Jul 17, 11:32 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > On Jul 14, 11:11 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 14, 8:09 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 13, 6:11 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On 7/13/10 4:59 PM, kenseto wrote: > > > > > > No idiot SR didn't deny the existence of the preferred frame. It calls > > > > > the preferred frame as an inertial frame. > > > > > There is nothing preferred about inertial frames.... pick any and > > > > special relativity will accurately predict the observations of time > > > > dilation, mass increase, etc. for a observer in relative motion to > > > > that being observed. > > > > Hey idiot...the point is that every inertial observer assumes the > > > properties of the preferred frame to make these predictions. > > > What YOU think the properties of the preferred frame are, are not what > > physicists think the properties of the preferred frame are. > > So why do you refuse to give us the special properties of the > preferred frame?? I've already TOLD you what the special properties of the preferred frame are. They are not what you thought they were. > > Ken Seto > > > > >This has > > been pointed out to you -- what? -- three dozen times, and you still > > persist in making the same mistake. Do you often persist in making the > > same mistake after having the mistake pointed out to you? > > > > That's > > > why every SR observer asserts that all the clocks in the universe > > > moving wrt every SR observer are running slow. > > > > Ken Seto > > > > > Particle accelerators are excellent examples of applications..- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > - Show quoted text -
From: Sam Wormley on 17 Jul 2010 13:20 On 7/17/10 11:20 AM, kenseto wrote: > every Sr observer claims that all the clocks in the universe > are running slow. That's a special property. It is not special if he > claims that an observed clock can run slow or fast compared to his > clock. Since every observer measures time dilation in clocks with relative motion to themselves, there is nothing special or preferred, as this is a universal phenomena for all inertial observers.
From: Michael Moroney on 17 Jul 2010 14:37 kenseto <kenseto(a)erinet.com> writes: >On Jul 14, 1:48 pm, moro...(a)world.std.spaamtrap.com (Michael Moroney) >wrote: >> >> Yet you can't deny that SR specifically denies the existence of any >> >> preferred frame. >> >No idiot SR didn't deny the existence of the preferred frame. It calls >> >the preferred frame as an inertial frame. >> >> Which part of the sentence "all inertial reference frames will observe the >> same laws of physics" don't you understand? >Hey idiot....all inertial frames will observe the same laws of physics >because every inertial observer assumes that he is at rest in the >preferred frame and thus assumes the laws of physics of the preferred >frame. Again, which part of the sentence "all inertial reference frames will observe the same laws of physics" don't you understand? If all inertial reference frames observe the same laws of physics, there is no such thing as a preferred frame. Period. Because there is nothing preferred about it, since all inertial reference frames observe the same laws of physics.
From: kenseto on 18 Jul 2010 09:05 On Jul 17, 1:13 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Jul 17, 11:32 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On Jul 14, 11:11 am, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On Jul 14, 8:09 am, kenseto <kens...(a)erinet.com> wrote: > > > > > On Jul 13, 6:11 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > On 7/13/10 4:59 PM, kenseto wrote: > > > > > > > No idiot SR didn't deny the existence of the preferred frame. It calls > > > > > > the preferred frame as an inertial frame. > > > > > > There is nothing preferred about inertial frames.... pick any and > > > > > special relativity will accurately predict the observations of time > > > > > dilation, mass increase, etc. for a observer in relative motion to > > > > > that being observed. > > > > > Hey idiot...the point is that every inertial observer assumes the > > > > properties of the preferred frame to make these predictions. > > > > What YOU think the properties of the preferred frame are, are not what > > > physicists think the properties of the preferred frame are. > > > So why do you refuse to give us the special properties of the > > preferred frame?? > > I've already TOLD you what the special properties of the preferred > frame are. No you didn't....How does a clock in the preferred frame run compared to a clock in an inertial frame? >They are not what you thought they were. > > > > > > > Ken Seto > > > >This has > > > been pointed out to you -- what? -- three dozen times, and you still > > > persist in making the same mistake. Do you often persist in making the > > > same mistake after having the mistake pointed out to you? > > > > > That's > > > > why every SR observer asserts that all the clocks in the universe > > > > moving wrt every SR observer are running slow. > > > > > Ken Seto > > > > > > Particle accelerators are excellent examples of applications.- Hide quoted text - > > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: kenseto on 18 Jul 2010 09:12
On Jul 17, 1:20 pm, Sam Wormley <sworml...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 7/17/10 11:20 AM, kenseto wrote: > > > every Sr observer claims that all the clocks in the universe > > are running slow. That's a special property. It is not special if he > > claims that an observed clock can run slow or fast compared to his > > clock. > > Since every observer measures time dilation in clocks with > relative motion to themselves, there is nothing special or > preferred, as this is a universal phenomena for all inertial > observers. No wormy, no measurement of any kind ever been made. SR adopts the exclusive properties of the preferred frame and derive its math based on these properties. What this mean is that an SR observer predicts all the clocks moving wrt him are running slow....that's exactly what a preferred observer would predict. Ken Seto |