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From: mpc755 on 8 Oct 2009 16:37 On Oct 8, 4:31 pm, "papar...(a)gmail.com" <papar...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 8 oct, 12:49, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > If the aether is stationary relative to the embankment and stationary > > relative to the train, this is what will occur in Einstein's train > > thought experiment: > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyWTaXMElUk > > This is a very good piece of work of yours, that provides a very good > proof of Einstein's relativity of simultaneity. > You describe what happens in both the train and the embankment frames. > > a) Considering the events as observed by M' on the train, the light > fronts coming from points A' and B' arrive to the location of M' > simultaneously, while clearly it is also seen that, as observed by M, > the light front coming from point A' gets to the location of M well > BEFORE arriving to the location of M', while the light front coming > from point B' gets to the location of M well AFTER passing through the > location of M'. Very well done!!! > > b) Now, you also nicely show the situation as seen from the point of > view of M. Considering the events as observed by M on the embankment, > the light fronts coming from points A and B arrive to the location of > M simultaneously, while clearly it is also seen that, as observed by > M', the light front coming from point A gets to the location of M' > well AFTER arriving to the location of M, while the light front coming > from point B gets to the location of M' well BEFORE passing through > the location of M. > > Once again, you have proved beyond any doubt the relativity of > simultaneity according to Einstein gedanken. Congratultions. > > Miguel Rios What I am displaying is not Einstein's Relativity of Simultaneity. In Einstein's Relativity of Simultaneity ALL of the light from the lightning strike at A/A' reaches M simultaneously and ALL of the light from the lightning strike A/A' reaches B' simultaneously, and ALL of the light from lightning strike at B/B' reaches M simultaneously, and ALL of the light from the lightning strike at B/B' reaches M' simultaneously. This is NOT what I am showing. But thanks for agreeing with Simultaneity of Relativity.
From: mpc755 on 8 Oct 2009 16:40 On Oct 8, 4:31 pm, "papar...(a)gmail.com" <papar...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On 8 oct, 12:49, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > If the aether is stationary relative to the embankment and stationary > > relative to the train, this is what will occur in Einstein's train > > thought experiment: > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyWTaXMElUk > > This is a very good piece of work of yours, that provides a very good > proof of Einstein's relativity of simultaneity. > You describe what happens in both the train and the embankment frames. > > a) Considering the events as observed by M' on the train, the light > fronts coming from points A' and B' arrive to the location of M' > simultaneously, while clearly it is also seen that, as observed by M, > the light front coming from point A' gets to the location of M well > BEFORE arriving to the location of M', while the light front coming > from point B' gets to the location of M well AFTER passing through the > location of M'. Very well done!!! > > b) Now, you also nicely show the situation as seen from the point of > view of M. Considering the events as observed by M on the embankment, > the light fronts coming from points A and B arrive to the location of > M simultaneously, while clearly it is also seen that, as observed by > M', the light front coming from point A gets to the location of M' > well AFTER arriving to the location of M, while the light front coming > from point B gets to the location of M' well BEFORE passing through > the location of M. > > Once again, you have proved beyond any doubt the relativity of > simultaneity according to Einstein gedanken. Congratultions. > > Miguel Rios What I am displaying is not Einstein's Relativity of Simultaneity. In Einstein's Relativity of Simultaneity ALL of the light from the lightning strike at A/A' reaches M simultaneously and ALL of the light from the lightning strike A/A' reaches M' simultaneously, and ALL of the light from lightning strike at B/B' reaches M simultaneously, and ALL of the light from the lightning strike at B/B' reaches M' simultaneously. This is NOT what I am showing. But thanks for agreeing with Simultaneity of Relativity.
From: PD on 8 Oct 2009 16:47 On Oct 8, 3:40 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Oct 8, 4:31 pm, "papar...(a)gmail.com" <papar...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On 8 oct, 12:49, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > If the aether is stationary relative to the embankment and stationary > > > relative to the train, this is what will occur in Einstein's train > > > thought experiment: > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyWTaXMElUk > > > This is a very good piece of work of yours, that provides a very good > > proof of Einstein's relativity of simultaneity. > > You describe what happens in both the train and the embankment frames. > > > a) Considering the events as observed by M' on the train, the light > > fronts coming from points A' and B' arrive to the location of M' > > simultaneously, while clearly it is also seen that, as observed by M, > > the light front coming from point A' gets to the location of M well > > BEFORE arriving to the location of M', while the light front coming > > from point B' gets to the location of M well AFTER passing through the > > location of M'. Very well done!!! > > > b) Now, you also nicely show the situation as seen from the point of > > view of M. Considering the events as observed by M on the embankment, > > the light fronts coming from points A and B arrive to the location of > > M simultaneously, while clearly it is also seen that, as observed by > > M', the light front coming from point A gets to the location of M' > > well AFTER arriving to the location of M, while the light front coming > > from point B gets to the location of M' well BEFORE passing through > > the location of M. > > > Once again, you have proved beyond any doubt the relativity of > > simultaneity according to Einstein gedanken. Congratultions. > > > Miguel Rios > > What I am displaying is not Einstein's Relativity of Simultaneity. > > In Einstein's Relativity of Simultaneity ALL of the light from the > lightning strike at A/A' reaches M simultaneously and ALL of the light > from the lightning strike A/A' reaches M' simultaneously, and ALL of > the light from lightning strike at B/B' reaches M simultaneously, and > ALL of the light from the lightning strike at B/B' reaches M' > simultaneously. No, that is NOT what Einstein's train gedanken says happens, at all. Good heavens. It appears you don't know what SR says. Right on your YouTube video page you'll see a much better video that DOES say what Einstein's train gedanken says. You'll see it's much different than what you just wrote above. > > This is NOT what I am showing. > > But thanks for agreeing with Simultaneity of Relativity.
From: paparios on 8 Oct 2009 16:50 On 8 oct, 16:40, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Oct 8, 4:31 pm, "papar...(a)gmail.com" <papar...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > > On 8 oct, 12:49, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > If the aether is stationary relative to the embankment and stationary > > > relative to the train, this is what will occur in Einstein's train > > > thought experiment: > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyWTaXMElUk > > > This is a very good piece of work of yours, that provides a very good > > proof of Einstein's relativity of simultaneity. > > You describe what happens in both the train and the embankment frames. > > > a) Considering the events as observed by M' on the train, the light > > fronts coming from points A' and B' arrive to the location of M' > > simultaneously, while clearly it is also seen that, as observed by M, > > the light front coming from point A' gets to the location of M well > > BEFORE arriving to the location of M', while the light front coming > > from point B' gets to the location of M well AFTER passing through the > > location of M'. Very well done!!! > > > b) Now, you also nicely show the situation as seen from the point of > > view of M. Considering the events as observed by M on the embankment, > > the light fronts coming from points A and B arrive to the location of > > M simultaneously, while clearly it is also seen that, as observed by > > M', the light front coming from point A gets to the location of M' > > well AFTER arriving to the location of M, while the light front coming > > from point B gets to the location of M' well BEFORE passing through > > the location of M. > > > Once again, you have proved beyond any doubt the relativity of > > simultaneity according to Einstein gedanken. Congratultions. > > > Miguel Rios > > What I am displaying is not Einstein's Relativity of Simultaneity. > > In Einstein's Relativity of Simultaneity ALL of the light from the > lightning strike at A/A' reaches M simultaneously and ALL of the light > from the lightning strike A/A' reaches M' simultaneously, and ALL of > the light from lightning strike at B/B' reaches M simultaneously, and > ALL of the light from the lightning strike at B/B' reaches M' > simultaneously. > > This is NOT what I am showing. > > But thanks for agreeing with Simultaneity of Relativity. No! you are as always ignorant of even what Einstein gedanken says, so... You are showing four (4) events or flashes instead of the two (2) flashes that Einstein used. And, of course, the relativity of simultaneity means that those two events while being simultaneous for one of the observers (M for instance), will most definitely not be simultaneous for the other observer M', and vice versa. This was already discussed some months ago, so you are clearly trying to resurrect a dead cow here. Miguel Rios
From: mpc755 on 8 Oct 2009 16:55
On Oct 8, 4:47 pm, PD <thedraperfam...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > On Oct 8, 3:40 pm, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > On Oct 8, 4:31 pm, "papar...(a)gmail.com" <papar...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > On 8 oct, 12:49, mpc755 <mpc...(a)gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > If the aether is stationary relative to the embankment and stationary > > > > relative to the train, this is what will occur in Einstein's train > > > > thought experiment: > > > > >http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyWTaXMElUk > > > > This is a very good piece of work of yours, that provides a very good > > > proof of Einstein's relativity of simultaneity. > > > You describe what happens in both the train and the embankment frames.. > > > > a) Considering the events as observed by M' on the train, the light > > > fronts coming from points A' and B' arrive to the location of M' > > > simultaneously, while clearly it is also seen that, as observed by M, > > > the light front coming from point A' gets to the location of M well > > > BEFORE arriving to the location of M', while the light front coming > > > from point B' gets to the location of M well AFTER passing through the > > > location of M'. Very well done!!! > > > > b) Now, you also nicely show the situation as seen from the point of > > > view of M. Considering the events as observed by M on the embankment, > > > the light fronts coming from points A and B arrive to the location of > > > M simultaneously, while clearly it is also seen that, as observed by > > > M', the light front coming from point A gets to the location of M' > > > well AFTER arriving to the location of M, while the light front coming > > > from point B gets to the location of M' well BEFORE passing through > > > the location of M. > > > > Once again, you have proved beyond any doubt the relativity of > > > simultaneity according to Einstein gedanken. Congratultions. > > > > Miguel Rios > > > What I am displaying is not Einstein's Relativity of Simultaneity. > > > In Einstein's Relativity of Simultaneity ALL of the light from the > > lightning strike at A/A' reaches M simultaneously and ALL of the light > > from the lightning strike A/A' reaches M' simultaneously, and ALL of > > the light from lightning strike at B/B' reaches M simultaneously, and > > ALL of the light from the lightning strike at B/B' reaches M' > > simultaneously. > > No, that is NOT what Einstein's train gedanken says happens, at all. > Good heavens. It appears you don't know what SR says. > > Right on your YouTube video page you'll see a much better video that > DOES say what Einstein's train gedanken says. You'll see it's much > different than what you just wrote above. > I think you misunderstood what I was saying. The only point I am trying to make to the other poster is the light from A' does not reach M prior to the light from A reaching M in Einstein's train thought experiment. In Einstein's Relativity of Simultaneity the lightning strike at A/A' is a single event and ALL of the light from the lightning strike at A/A' reaches M simultaneously. In Simultaneity of Relativity the light from A' reaches M prior to the light from A reaching M. > > > > This is NOT what I am showing. > > > But thanks for agreeing with Simultaneity of Relativity. > > |