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From: Joel Koltner on 24 Apr 2010 21:54 <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message news:pi67t5pmefeen4jn1i5c96v6rd2jmqt97f(a)4ax.com... > PVs have had the same time frame *and* technology advances and *still* are a > couple or orders of magnitude short of break-even. Sure, one can't really schedule technology breakthroughs. The history you've cited there certainly ought to be included as part of whatever policy considerations fund PV R&D, certainly (or just outright purchases, although I think Don's made a pretty good case that that isn't really helping anything). >>It's interesting to consider what technology would become porminent if, >>somehow, all the gas stations and oil refineries suddenly disappeared over >>night -- bet we still had all the technological know-how as of 2010. I'm >>thinking the replacement infrastructure might include a lot more diesel >>automobiles... > A silly what if. So what? I'm pointing out that what happens to be cheapest today is often as much a function of history as it is of the actual cost of the technology *today*. This fact is one argument for government policies that attempt to change behavior away from the status quo. > You do know that IBM wasn't allowed to bid on the DARPA contract because > they > already *had* such a network (several hundred nodes, worldwide). I didn't know IBM wasn't allowed to bid. I actually had a VMNet e-mail address back in 1989 -- several years before I had an Internet address. > After forty years of trying (at least), what makes you believe it's possible > to jump a couple of orders of magnitude ($/W). One order of magnitude would be plenty though, in the case of PV. I suppose that Moore's Law makes me think that many technologies can be cost-reduced/performance-enhanced by orders of magnitude over time -- it's just that the time period is sometimes much longer than the 18 months it is (or at least was) with transistors/IC technology. ---Joel
From: Joel Koltner on 24 Apr 2010 22:04 "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in message news:9c67t513sai5r9pfbjikl230kqvdn6ctoc(a)4ax.com... > School boards making deals with the devil... allowing cafeteria > "staffing" from the major fast-food places. They do it for the money, though, don't they? On the surface it just seems like a response to, "well, we asked for more money for the schools, the voters wouldn't give it to us, so this is a cost-cutting measure...," although I realize that due to cronyism and teachers' unions and whatever, when there's a lack of funds what cut is sometimes not at all would be the least damaging to the kids. I seem to recall you were on the school boards for awhile when your kids were in school? Or was it just the PTA? > I wouldn't know, haven't been in one since the wife was pregnant with > #1 son (late 1969), and had a craving for a bean burro in the middle > of the night. You're a good husband. :-) > Huntington was largest city at around 150,000, now is 80,000... > populated almost entirely by welfare recipients. > > Obama's model for the United States :-( I thought it was Chicago? ;-) ---Joel
From: Jim Thompson on 24 Apr 2010 22:16 On Sat, 24 Apr 2010 19:04:22 -0700, "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >"Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in >message news:9c67t513sai5r9pfbjikl230kqvdn6ctoc(a)4ax.com... >> School boards making deals with the devil... allowing cafeteria >> "staffing" from the major fast-food places. > >They do it for the money, though, don't they? On the surface it just seems >like a response to, "well, we asked for more money for the schools, the voters >wouldn't give it to us, so this is a cost-cutting measure...," although I >realize that due to cronyism and teachers' unions and whatever, when there's a >lack of funds what cut is sometimes not at all would be the least damaging to >the kids. > >I seem to recall you were on the school boards for awhile when your kids were >in school? Or was it just the PTA? PTA. I ran for school board ~1972, finished 6th in a field of 7... #7 was certifiably insane. Teacher's Union endorsed me, then un-endorsed me when they found out I had achieved the unachievable... I succeeded in getting a teacher fired :-) > >> I wouldn't know, haven't been in one since the wife was pregnant with >> #1 son (late 1969), and had a craving for a bean burro in the middle >> of the night. > >You're a good husband. :-) I know :-) > >> Huntington was largest city at around 150,000, now is 80,000... >> populated almost entirely by welfare recipients. >> >> Obama's model for the United States :-( > >I thought it was Chicago? ;-) > >---Joel I guess there are parts of Chicago as slummy as Huntington. ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | The only thing bipartisan in this country is hypocrisy
From: Greegor on 24 Apr 2010 22:34 Cost of a Pizza Hut Pizza? That's not counting labor and business overhead, just materials, right?
From: Greegor on 24 Apr 2010 22:38
On Apr 24, 8:50 pm, mpm <mpmill...(a)aol.com> wrote: MPM > I can also state with certainty, that WV MPM > has the most (shall we say...) innovative MPM > way to distribute food to the poor. Are there any squirrels left in the trees? |