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From: krw on 26 Apr 2010 19:35 On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 15:32:30 -0700, "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: ><krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message >news:6j3ct59lnb6vj2di6v68lnirs2g1rr66ll(a)4ax.com... >> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:19:01 -0700, "Joel Koltner" >>>Yeah, but up until the past couple of decades, the engines were a lot more >>>cantankerous than gasoline-powered engines. You still see glow-plug >>>switches >>>on some trucks today, yet even the cheapest automobile hasn't had a manual >>>throttle in about 35 years now. Bizarre... >> Perhaps because truck drivers can be bothered to learn how to drive their >> vehicles. > >OK, but where's the payback? Look at how popular automatics are today Look at how many trucks have automatics. > -- the >vast majority of people don't value the extra bit of control that manual >transmissions, engine controls, etc. might given them. Truckers do. >The fact that you can >make a diesel today that the average consumer will find as easy to operate to >an ICE (and for no more cost but with a bit better efficiency) is what will >slowly drive their adoption. (Although these days the big thing is hybrids >and all, so I fully expect that diesels won't make up any significant >percentage of consumer vehicles in the foreseeable future.) I don't believe you. The government will make sure that never happens. >> I worked in P'ok (mainframe city) and we only had shared (three terminals >> per) >> 9,600bps lines. Printouts were delivered by truck twice a day. > >We had pretty much every printer that was available, as one of the buildings >was used to give demos to potential customers (although of course, at time, >only a handful were actually networked -- the big copy-machine-sized ones!). Oh, we had printers alright. They were in the computer center, about five miles away. >I wrote up a few little toy utility programs for my manager under VM/CMS >written in REXX... good times... I put together a utility to generate our capital requests (using TSO CLISTs and PDF calls), then print FOILs (transparencies to real people) and handouts in the appropriate fonts. The counters of beans were quite impressed. If the computer said we needed toys we must really need toys. Bean counters are easily impressed. All you have to do is tell them what they want to hear (see: banking crisis).
From: Joel Koltner on 26 Apr 2010 19:48 <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message news:098ct5tg1d1gs395k8prt8ui2tf82ff3k8(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 15:32:30 -0700, "Joel Koltner" > <zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: >> -- the >>vast majority of people don't value the extra bit of control that manual >>transmissions, engine controls, etc. might given them. > Truckers do. It helps to keep them awake on those long hauls if they have a few switches/controls to move around, even if it doesn't actually do much anymore? :-) I really don't know much of anything about modern trucks, though (other than that some of them do still have glow plug switches). For the average trucker, what controls are still found to be useful? > I don't believe you. The government will make sure that never happens. Could be. What are your predictions for the types of cars that'll be common in the coming decades? Would you wager any money yet on Obama being a one-term president? :-) > I put together a utility to generate our capital requests (using TSO CLISTs > and PDF calls), then print FOILs (transparencies to real people) and > handouts > in the appropriate fonts. The counters of beans were quite impressed. If > the > computer said we needed toys we must really need toys. Nice! ---Joel
From: Jim Thompson on 26 Apr 2010 19:55 On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 16:48:46 -0700, "Joel Koltner" <zapwireDASHgroups(a)yahoo.com> wrote: [snip] > >Would you wager any money yet on Obama being a one-term president? :-) [snip] >---Joel I'll wager the Dems will retain control of Congress in 2010, and Obama will get a second term. To see how that will happen, just look at Florida... loser Repubs will run as independents, splitting the vote, allowing Dem wins. You'll all love it, and deserve it... suckers! ...Jim Thompson -- | James E.Thompson, CTO | mens | | Analog Innovations, Inc. | et | | Analog/Mixed-Signal ASIC's and Discrete Systems | manus | | Phoenix, Arizona 85048 Skype: Contacts Only | | | Voice:(480)460-2350 Fax: Available upon request | Brass Rat | | E-mail Icon at http://www.analog-innovations.com | 1962 | The only thing bipartisan in this country is hypocrisy
From: Joel Koltner on 26 Apr 2010 20:02 "Jim Thompson" <To-Email-Use-The-Envelope-Icon(a)On-My-Web-Site.com> wrote in message news:vn9ct596un5cab1pgra4d4fhj1ddqak3qe(a)4ax.com... > I'll wager the Dems will retain control of Congress in 2010, and Obama > will get a second term. > > To see how that will happen, just look at Florida... loser Repubs will > run as independents, splitting the vote, allowing Dem wins. Good point... republicans might do it to themselves; no Ross Perot needed! > You'll all love it, and deserve it... suckers! Still firming up those plans to leave the country, eh? ---Joel
From: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax on 26 Apr 2010 20:05
On 26/04/2010 23:32, Joel Koltner wrote: > <krw(a)att.bizzzzzzzzzzzz> wrote in message > news:6j3ct59lnb6vj2di6v68lnirs2g1rr66ll(a)4ax.com... >> On Mon, 26 Apr 2010 09:19:01 -0700, "Joel Koltner" >>> Yeah, but up until the past couple of decades, the engines were a lot >>> more >>> cantankerous than gasoline-powered engines. You still see glow-plug >>> switches >>> on some trucks today, yet even the cheapest automobile hasn't had a >>> manual >>> throttle in about 35 years now. Bizarre... >> Perhaps because truck drivers can be bothered to learn how to drive their >> vehicles. > > OK, but where's the payback? Look at how popular automatics are today -- > the vast majority of people don't value the extra bit of control that > manual transmissions, engine controls, etc. might given them. The fact > that you can make a diesel today that the average consumer will find as > easy to operate to an ICE (and for no more cost but with a bit better > efficiency) is what will slowly drive their adoption. (Although these > days the big thing is hybrids and all, so I fully expect that diesels > won't make up any significant percentage of consumer vehicles in the > foreseeable future.) I assume you are talking solely about the USA? In Europe the situation is very different. In the UK, for example, half of cars sold are diesel. I drive a 2.0L VW Golf diesel, which averages 50mpg. -- Dirk http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show |