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From: AZ Nomad on 10 Aug 2010 22:57 On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 21:48:05 -0500, Tim Williams <tmoranwms(a)charter.net> wrote: >"AZ Nomad" <aznomad.3(a)PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message >news:slrni6403b.cqm.aznomad.3(a)ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net... >> Have you priced 20KW PSUs recently? >I have. I'm tenatively offering 10kW induction heaters for $2000. >Want one? >Tim Let me know when they're $10.
From: dagmargoodboat on 10 Aug 2010 23:32 krw wrote: > John Larkin wrote: > > Bill Sloman wrote: > >> John Larkin wrote: > >>> But actually, if we ignore the carbon crazies, we have plenty of > >>> natural gas and coal for a long time. > > >>All the "carbon crazies" are saying is that if we keep burning carbon > >>at the current rate, the carbon dioxide level in the atmosphere will > >>keep on rising at the current rate. > > >Assuming linearity, yes. > > W/o feedback > > >>There's a lot of reliable scientific evidence > > >Not evidence, theory. > > Not theory, simulation. Not simulation, stimulation. -- Grins, James Arthur
From: Tim Williams on 10 Aug 2010 23:44 "AZ Nomad" <aznomad.3(a)PremoveOBthisOX.COM> wrote in message news:slrni644cv.2o6.aznomad.3(a)ip70-176-155-130.ph.ph.cox.net... >>I have. I'm tenatively offering 10kW induction heaters for $2000. > > Let me know when they're $10. I think I can sell you a bridge that cheap ;-) Tim -- Deep Friar: a very philosophical monk. Website: http://webpages.charter.net/dawill/tmoranwms
From: Dirk Bruere at NeoPax on 11 Aug 2010 04:01 On 11/08/2010 02:44, AZ Nomad wrote: > On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 22:45:22 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax<dirk.bruere(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> On 10/08/2010 19:30, Charlie E. wrote: >>> On Tue, 10 Aug 2010 19:02:15 +0100, Dirk Bruere at NeoPax >>> <dirk.bruere(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> On 10/08/2010 16:26, Jim Thompson wrote: >>> >>>>> >>>>> The naivete, and ignorance (?), of tree-huggers is stunningly >>>>> profound. >>>>> >>>>> I suspect it's because they're not engineers... they think arm-waving >>>>> and warm and cuddly feelings are what make things work. >>>>> >>>>> ...Jim Thompson >>>> >>>> So you have some reason for believing that solar panels are going to >>>> remain at around $400 per sq m when at least one company is >>>> manufacturing them at a third of that price? And that manufacturing cost >>>> will never fall below that value? >>> >>> Dirk, >>> Yes, the panels MAY drop in price, by a third or even more. >>> >>> The mounting hardware and similiar infrastructure won't drop that >>> much, if at all. > >> True. >> That price will come to dominate. > >>> Installation for them will only go up, at least for a while. >>> >>> Inverters and other grid tie or other uses SHOULD go down, but they >>> haven't yet! > >> Well, we know where the prices are heading by looking at a mature >> comparable technology that is being mass manufactured - PC PSUs. I have >> seen retail 200W PSUs for $10 > > Have you priced 20KW PSUs recently? So why have one vastly overpriced and undermanufactured 20kW PSU when you can have 20 for far less cash? The trend is going to be one integrated PSU per panel. Manufactured in the hundreds of millions per year. -- Dirk http://www.transcendence.me.uk/ - Transcendence UK http://www.blogtalkradio.com/onetribe - Occult Talk Show
From: untergangsprophet on 11 Aug 2010 04:53
On 9 Aug., 03:33, Mark <makol...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > It's easy to tell when solar becomes economical... > > when the factory that makes solar panels has them on the roof and uses > them to power itself.. Good point, the factories should start to put dummy-panels on their roof. |