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From: jimp on 10 Jan 2010 14:19 In sci.physics J. Clarke <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote: > Robert Clark wrote: >> Nice video lecture here by Derek Webber of Spaceport Associates on >> the market possibilities of suborbital space tourism and hypersonic >> point-to-point transport: >> >> 05 August 2009 >> Updated FastForward Study Group overview presentation, Derek Webber >> video presentation on suborbital/point-to-point transportation. >> http://www.sei.aero/com/news/newsindex.php?id=14 >> >> He discusses a market study he took part in by Futron/Zogby from 2002 >> on suborbital space tourism at a price point of $100,000. Virgin >> Galactic will charge $200,000 but Webber concludes the market in the >> U.S. alone might be $1 billion - $2 billion. It looks like at an >> initial investment of $150 million, Sir Richard Branson might have >> known what he was doing. >> The market study is available here: >> >> Space Tourism Market Study. >> http://www.futron.com/pdf/resource_center/white_papers/SpaceTourismMarketStudy.pdf > > If the proposal here is to somehow use Space Shuttle orbiters as passenger > vehicles, can you get insurance on something that NASA considers to no > longer be flight-worthy? Not to mention getting approval from a regulatory agency like the FAA to fly paying passengers, which is no minor challenge with approved aircraft. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news(a)netfront.net ---
From: J. Clarke on 10 Jan 2010 15:09 jimp(a)specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > In sci.physics J. Clarke <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote: >> Robert Clark wrote: >>> Nice video lecture here by Derek Webber of Spaceport Associates on >>> the market possibilities of suborbital space tourism and hypersonic >>> point-to-point transport: >>> >>> 05 August 2009 >>> Updated FastForward Study Group overview presentation, Derek Webber >>> video presentation on suborbital/point-to-point transportation. >>> http://www.sei.aero/com/news/newsindex.php?id=14 >>> >>> He discusses a market study he took part in by Futron/Zogby from >>> 2002 on suborbital space tourism at a price point of $100,000. >>> Virgin Galactic will charge $200,000 but Webber concludes the >>> market in the U.S. alone might be $1 billion - $2 billion. It looks >>> like at an initial investment of $150 million, Sir Richard Branson >>> might have known what he was doing. >>> The market study is available here: >>> >>> Space Tourism Market Study. >>> http://www.futron.com/pdf/resource_center/white_papers/SpaceTourismMarketStudy.pdf >> >> If the proposal here is to somehow use Space Shuttle orbiters as >> passenger vehicles, can you get insurance on something that NASA >> considers to no longer be flight-worthy? > > Not to mention getting approval from a regulatory agency like the FAA > to > fly paying passengers, which is no minor challenge with approved > aircraft. A good point. And without insurability or good prospects for FAA approval, one suspects that financial backing would be hard to find unless you found somebody in need of a write-off, which isn't very likely in this market.
From: jimp on 10 Jan 2010 19:25 In sci.physics J. Clarke <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote: > jimp(a)specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >> In sci.physics J. Clarke <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote: >>> Robert Clark wrote: >>>> Nice video lecture here by Derek Webber of Spaceport Associates on >>>> the market possibilities of suborbital space tourism and hypersonic >>>> point-to-point transport: >>>> >>>> 05 August 2009 >>>> Updated FastForward Study Group overview presentation, Derek Webber >>>> video presentation on suborbital/point-to-point transportation. >>>> http://www.sei.aero/com/news/newsindex.php?id=14 >>>> >>>> He discusses a market study he took part in by Futron/Zogby from >>>> 2002 on suborbital space tourism at a price point of $100,000. >>>> Virgin Galactic will charge $200,000 but Webber concludes the >>>> market in the U.S. alone might be $1 billion - $2 billion. It looks >>>> like at an initial investment of $150 million, Sir Richard Branson >>>> might have known what he was doing. >>>> The market study is available here: >>>> >>>> Space Tourism Market Study. >>>> http://www.futron.com/pdf/resource_center/white_papers/SpaceTourismMarketStudy.pdf >>> >>> If the proposal here is to somehow use Space Shuttle orbiters as >>> passenger vehicles, can you get insurance on something that NASA >>> considers to no longer be flight-worthy? >> >> Not to mention getting approval from a regulatory agency like the FAA >> to >> fly paying passengers, which is no minor challenge with approved >> aircraft. > > A good point. > > And without insurability or good prospects for FAA approval, one suspects > that financial backing would be hard to find unless you found somebody in > need of a write-off, which isn't very likely in this market. One can always (in most countries) self insure, but there is no getting around having regulatory approval for flying paying passengers, even in most third-world countries. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. --- news://freenews.netfront.net/ - complaints: news(a)netfront.net ---
From: J. Clarke on 10 Jan 2010 20:07 jimp(a)specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: > In sci.physics J. Clarke <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote: >> jimp(a)specsol.spam.sux.com wrote: >>> In sci.physics J. Clarke <jclarke.usenet(a)cox.net> wrote: >>>> Robert Clark wrote: >>>>> Nice video lecture here by Derek Webber of Spaceport Associates on >>>>> the market possibilities of suborbital space tourism and >>>>> hypersonic point-to-point transport: >>>>> >>>>> 05 August 2009 >>>>> Updated FastForward Study Group overview presentation, Derek >>>>> Webber video presentation on suborbital/point-to-point >>>>> transportation. http://www.sei.aero/com/news/newsindex.php?id=14 >>>>> >>>>> He discusses a market study he took part in by Futron/Zogby from >>>>> 2002 on suborbital space tourism at a price point of $100,000. >>>>> Virgin Galactic will charge $200,000 but Webber concludes the >>>>> market in the U.S. alone might be $1 billion - $2 billion. It >>>>> looks like at an initial investment of $150 million, Sir Richard >>>>> Branson might have known what he was doing. >>>>> The market study is available here: >>>>> >>>>> Space Tourism Market Study. >>>>> http://www.futron.com/pdf/resource_center/white_papers/SpaceTourismMarketStudy.pdf >>>> >>>> If the proposal here is to somehow use Space Shuttle orbiters as >>>> passenger vehicles, can you get insurance on something that NASA >>>> considers to no longer be flight-worthy? >>> >>> Not to mention getting approval from a regulatory agency like the >>> FAA to >>> fly paying passengers, which is no minor challenge with approved >>> aircraft. >> >> A good point. >> >> And without insurability or good prospects for FAA approval, one >> suspects that financial backing would be hard to find unless you >> found somebody in need of a write-off, which isn't very likely in >> this market. > > One can always (in most countries) self insure, but there is no > getting > around having regulatory approval for flying paying passengers, even > in most third-world countries. The financial backers are going to want to see enough insurance to recover their investment. You can't self-insure for that.
From: Jeff Findley on 11 Jan 2010 10:04
"Pat Flannery" <flanner(a)daktel.com> wrote in message news:j9adnb6psuFIs9XWnZ2dnUVZ_oFi4p2d(a)posted.northdakotatelephone... > Jeff Findley wrote: >> Vital Partnership, NASA and the USAF, Preserving a Legacy (on top of a >> picture of the shuttle at the launch pad) >> http://www.nationalmuseum.af.mil/shared/media/document/AFD-100104-030.pdf >> >> Check out the picture of what the inside of the building would look like >> (page 9), which is prominently displaying Atlantis in the middle of the >> huge Space Gallery. Impressive, no? > > Yeah, that would be a good place to display it. > I wonder where they dug up a Titan I at? Not sure, but the current Space Missiles Gallery is quite impressive to see in person. Displaying the missiles vertically, in close proximity to each other, gives you an excellent sense of scale. When you're standing on the ground (lowest level of the building), they really tower over you. I don't quite get the same sense of scale when a missile or launch vehicle is displayed horizontally. Jeff -- "Take heart amid the deepening gloom that your dog is finally getting enough cheese" - Deteriorata - National Lampoon |