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From: ~BD~ on 3 May 2010 03:04 JD wrote: > ~BD~ wrote: >> FromTheRafters wrote: >>> "~BD~"<BoaterDave(a)hot.mail.co.uk> wrote in message >>> news:8aydnQR6ar0tr0DWnZ2dnUVZ8oKdnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>>> FromTheRafters wrote: >>>>> "~BD~"<BoaterDave(a)hot.mail.co.uk> wrote in message >>>>> news:156dnS2rcsGUg0HWnZ2dnUVZ8o6dnZ2d(a)bt.com... >>>> [...] >>>>>> *What if* ....... ? >>>>>> >>>>>> One or more of those 'trusted' malware cleaning forums (or even a >>>>>> trusted software programme) could, surely, download such a programme >>>>>> onto a user's machine so that, forever afterwards, whatever is done >>>>>> on >>>>>> that machine may be monitored by an outside agency. >>>> >>>> Thank you for responding FTR! :) >>>> >>>>> That's not very likely, >>>> >>>> But .... *I* believe that it is *possible*! >>>> ******** >>>> >>>> As I've said elsewhere .......... >>>> >>>> "What a super ruse it would be, eh? - to clear a machine of everyone >>>> else's 'nasties' but then, perhaps, leave their own package installed >>>> on the user's machine. No one would ever suspect, would they?" >>>> >>>>> such a trojan would soon be discovered and dealt >>>>> with - very bad for the 'trusted' source's reputation.[...] >>>> >>>> Now this is where we seem to have a *real* difference of opinion, FTR! >>>> >>>> Just *who* would discover such covert malware. With today's high-speed >>>> and powerful machines a *user* is highly *unlikely* to discover that >>>> they have become part of a botnet! If their /cleaned/ machine is >>>> performing *better* that it had in a long while, why would the *user* >>>> suspect anything untoward? >>> >>> Bigger picture: >>> >>> Remember the quote about how you can fool some of the people some of the >>> time, but you can't fool all of the people all of the time? >> >> �You may fool all the people some of the time, you can even fool some of >> the people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of the people all >> the time.� Abraham Lincoln >> >>> Malware like >>> that relies on the first part of that quote. It doesn't care about the >>> second part because there is no shortage of fools. Such software does >>> eventually get discovered, but usually cannot be traced back to a single >>> source - there are many sources and they change location often. If >>> someone has a *real firewall* then this type of commercial malware's >>> activities can soon be discovered. >>> >>> So asking "who would" is the wrong question - the individual is >>> insignificant in comparison to the whole. Instead you must ask yourself >>> if *anybody* would discover the hidden function, and what that would >>> mean to an otherwise legitimate (contactable) business. >> >> OK. Let' use an example. >> >> I do not consider Aumha.net to be a business (do you?) >> >> Let's say someone goes there for the cleaning of their machine and all >> seems to go to plan. Is there *any* company/organisation which makes >> random checks on such 'help' sites to ensure that nothing untoward, >> along the lines which I've described, is happening - to ensure that they >> are *not* compromising the machines of naive 'customers'? >> >>>> My limited understanding of matters is that once a machine is under >>>> the control of a botmaster, all personal control is effectively lost. >>>> >>>> Do you dispute this? >>> >>> Yes, but I may be reading it differently than you are. It would depend >>> on how much control is still afforded you by the nature of the offending >>> program. >> >> Perhaps you are. I meant that an outside agency may do whatever they >> wish - whenever they wish - with the owner of the machine being >> completely unaware of the 'intruder'. This may only be achieved if the >> user can still carry out whatever he/she wishes to do and does not >> become suspicious in any way. >> >> HTH >> > > boater Dave, You are so full of $hit my monitor stinks when I see your > messages. Try a slow boat to anywhere but these newsgroups. OK? > You might enjoy life more if you stopped complaining about things over which you have no control. None whatsoever! No one *makes* you read what I have to say (there again, maybe you don't!) and it costs you nothing. Simply ignore me if what I say offends you. Enjoy your day! :) BD
From: FromTheRafters on 3 May 2010 06:15 "~BD~" <BoaterDave(a)hotmail..co.uk> wrote in message news:poOdnQEbf6P_6EPWnZ2dnUVZ8kudnZ2d(a)bt.com... > You might enjoy life more if you stopped complaining about things over > which you have no control. None whatsoever! > > No one *makes* you read what I have to say (there again, maybe you > don't!) and it costs you nothing. Simply ignore me if what I say > offends you. ....and be sure to announce to the world that you are officially ignoring his posts. :oD
From: ~BD~ on 3 May 2010 06:19 FromTheRafters wrote: > "~BD~"<BoaterDave(a)hotmail..co.uk> wrote in message > news:poOdnQEbf6P_6EPWnZ2dnUVZ8kudnZ2d(a)bt.com... > >> You might enjoy life more if you stopped complaining about things over >> which you have no control. None whatsoever! >> >> No one *makes* you read what I have to say (there again, maybe you >> don't!) and it costs you nothing. Simply ignore me if what I say >> offends you. > > ...and be sure to announce to the world that you are officially ignoring > his posts. :oD > > Hahaha! :) Shouldn't you have said that to JD - not to me?!!! BD
From: Max Wachtel on 3 May 2010 16:03 JD wrote: > If everybody stopped replying to you, would you continue to just post > and answer your own messages? Why don't we all see what happens? > +1 -- This message was created using SeaMonkey Portable. http://portableapps.com/apps/internet/seamonkey_portable Virus Removal Instructions http://sites.google.com/site/keepingwindowsclean/home Max's Favorite Freeware http://sites.google.com/site/keepingwindowsclean/freeware
From: FromTheRafters on 3 May 2010 17:56
"~BD~" <BoaterDave(a)hotmail..co.uk> wrote in message news:zqednffVZ62DPkPWnZ2dnUVZ7qednZ2d(a)bt.com... > FromTheRafters wrote: >> "~BD~"<BoaterDave(a)hotmail..co.uk> wrote in message >> news:poOdnQEbf6P_6EPWnZ2dnUVZ8kudnZ2d(a)bt.com... >> >>> You might enjoy life more if you stopped complaining about things >>> over >>> which you have no control. None whatsoever! >>> >>> No one *makes* you read what I have to say (there again, maybe you >>> don't!) and it costs you nothing. Simply ignore me if what I say >>> offends you. >> >> ...and be sure to announce to the world that you are officially >> ignoring >> his posts. :oD >> >> > > Hahaha! :) > > Shouldn't you have said that to JD - not to me?!!! Sorry for the misunderstanding, it was meant as an unsolicited addendum to your statement to JD. Trying to get others to ignore a poster rather than just plain ignoring a poster seems futile to me. Never have I seen it result in making the offending poster go away - they just go to another more seemingly lively group and crosspost back. |