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From: AndyHancock on 16 Apr 2010 23:21
I have a SpeedTouch 585(i) v6. I thought I could set "Allow New
Devices" to "New stations are not allowed" without preventing
established devices from connecting (see "Home Networks" page at
http://speedtouch.lan/cgi/b/lan/?ce=1&be=0&l0=3&l1=-1). However, this
setting also dropped the connection for devices that were already
connected. The manual doesn't exactly explain what this field is
for. I was wondering if anyone here could explain?
From: Mike Easter on 16 Apr 2010 23:57
AndyHancock wrote:
> I have a SpeedTouch 585(i) v6. I thought I could set "Allow New
> Devices" to "New stations are not allowed" without preventing
> established devices from connecting (see "Home Networks" page at
> http://speedtouch.lan/cgi/b/lan/?ce=1&be=0&l0=3&l1=-1).

That link isn't correct.

> However, this
> setting also dropped the connection for devices that were already
> connected. The manual doesn't exactly explain what this field is
> for. I was wondering if anyone here could explain?

The manual doesn't exactly explain its choice of words in the menu
setting, but the manual does explain how to make good choices between:

(Sections 2.2.3 and 2.2.4 in the manual)

<snip>
On the Wireless Access Point page, you have the following options for
the ACL: New stations are

Allowed (automatically): All new stations can access the SpeedTouch.
Allowed (via registration): Only allowed stations in the ACL have
access.You can add new stations via:
The Association / Registration button.
The Search for wireless devices task.
For more information, see Registering wireless clients.
Not allowed: Only allowed stations in the ACL have access.
You can add new stations to the ACL only via the Search for
wireless devices task. For more information, see Registering clients via
Web pages.
</snip>

The point is that the menu selection you are referring to doesn't mean
what you think. You should either use the encryption strategy or you
should use the described 'registering wireless clients' section 2.2.4 in
the manual.

The manual I'm referring to is this one:
Thomson SpeedTouch 585 - Residential Wireless ADSL Gateway - DSL
Wireless Router - Manual - http://peek.snipr.com/vjmhz

--
Mike Easter
From: AndyHancock on 17 Apr 2010 07:23
On Apr 16, 11:57 pm, Mike Easter <Mi...(a)ster.invalid> wrote:
> AndyHancock wrote:
> > I have a SpeedTouch 585(i) v6.  I thought I could set "Allow New
> > Devices" to "New stations are not allowed" without preventing
> > established devices from connecting (see "Home Networks" page at
> >http://speedtouch.lan/cgi/b/lan/?ce=1&be=0&l0=3&l1=-1).
>
> That link isn't correct.
>
> > However, this
> > setting also dropped the connection for devices that were already
> > connected.  The manual doesn't exactly explain what this field is
> > for.  I was wondering if anyone here could explain?
>
> The manual doesn't exactly explain its choice of words in the menu
> setting, but the manual does explain how to make good choices between:
>
> (Sections 2.2.3 and 2.2.4 in the manual)
>
> <snip>
> On the Wireless Access Point page, you have the following options for
> the ACL: New stations are
>
>    Allowed (automatically): All new stations can access the SpeedTouch.
>    Allowed (via registration): Only allowed stations in the ACL have
> access.You can add new stations via:
>     The Association / Registration button.
>     The Search for wireless devices task.
>        For more information, see Registering wireless clients.
>    Not allowed: Only allowed stations in the ACL have access.
>      You can add new stations to the ACL only via the Search for
> wireless devices task. For more information, see Registering clients via
> Web pages.
> </snip>
>
> The point is that the menu selection you are referring to doesn't mean
> what you think.  You should either use the encryption strategy or you
> should use the described 'registering wireless clients' section 2.2.4 in
> the manual.
>
> The manual I'm referring to is this one:
> Thomson SpeedTouch 585 - Residential Wireless ADSL Gateway - DSL
> Wireless Router -  Manual -http://peek.snipr.com/vjmhz

Thanks for clearing that up, Mike.

Perhaps it's a firmware thing (and I have been strongly advised
against messing with the firmware), but my modem doesn't have a
function to scan for devices. However, the ACL shows devices that
I've connected to the WLAN and the Ethernet ports before.

My computer is already on the ACL, shown as connecting to WLAN, and
shown as allowed to connect. Would you know of other possible reasons
why I can't connect when new stations are not allowed?
From: AndyHancock on 17 Apr 2010 07:39
On Apr 17, 7:23 am, AndyHancock <andymhanc...(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 16, 11:57 pm, Mike Easter <Mi...(a)ster.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
> > AndyHancock wrote:
> > > I have a SpeedTouch 585(i) v6.  I thought I could set "Allow New
> > > Devices" to "New stations are not allowed" without preventing
> > > established devices from connecting (see "Home Networks" page at
> > >http://speedtouch.lan/cgi/b/lan/?ce=1&be=0&l0=3&l1=-1).
>
> > That link isn't correct.
>
> > > However, this
> > > setting also dropped the connection for devices that were already
> > > connected.  The manual doesn't exactly explain what this field is
> > > for.  I was wondering if anyone here could explain?
>
> > The manual doesn't exactly explain its choice of words in the menu
> > setting, but the manual does explain how to make good choices between:
>
> > (Sections 2.2.3 and 2.2.4 in the manual)
>
> > <snip>
> > On the Wireless Access Point page, you have the following options for
> > the ACL: New stations are
>
> >    Allowed (automatically): All new stations can access the SpeedTouch.
> >    Allowed (via registration): Only allowed stations in the ACL have
> > access.You can add new stations via:
> >     The Association / Registration button.
> >     The Search for wireless devices task.
> >        For more information, see Registering wireless clients.
> >    Not allowed: Only allowed stations in the ACL have access.
> >      You can add new stations to the ACL only via the Search for
> > wireless devices task. For more information, see Registering clients via
> > Web pages.
> > </snip>
>
> > The point is that the menu selection you are referring to doesn't mean
> > what you think.  You should either use the encryption strategy or you
> > should use the described 'registering wireless clients' section 2.2.4 in
> > the manual.
>
> > The manual I'm referring to is this one:
> > Thomson SpeedTouch 585 - Residential Wireless ADSL Gateway - DSL
> > Wireless Router -  Manual -http://peek.snipr.com/vjmhz
>
> Thanks for clearing that up, Mike.
>
> Perhaps it's a firmware thing (and I have been strongly advised
> against messing with the firmware), but my modem doesn't have a
> function to scan for devices.  However, the ACL shows devices that
> I've connected to the WLAN and the Ethernet ports before.
>
> My computer is already on the ACL, shown as connecting to WLAN, and
> shown as allowed to connect.  Would you know of other possible reasons
> why I can't connect when new stations are not allowed?

I did some more putzing around...on my modem, the function of scanning
for devices is under the HomeNetwork->Interfaces page, not the
HomeNetwork->Devices page. After scanning for devices, it takes me to
the HomeNetwork page, which I posted in my original post. I browse to
the ACL on the HomeNetwork->Devices page, and everything is exactly
the same as before scanning for devices.

This doesn't really shed any light on why I can't connect when new
stations are not allowed, so any ideas on this are welcome. I note,
however, that WiFi access does work when new stations are allowed with
registration (not my preferred option).
From: Mike Easter on 17 Apr 2010 08:01
AndyHancock wrote:
>> Mike Easter

>>> You should either use the encryption strategy or you
>>> should use the described 'registering wireless clients' section 2.2.4 in
>>> the manual.

> After scanning for devices, it takes me to
> the HomeNetwork page, which I posted in my original post.

That page is on your system, not mine or 'ours', this newsgroup
readership.

> I note,
> however, that WiFi access does work when new stations are allowed with
> registration (not my preferred option).

That is the way 'everyone' else does it most often. That is, they setup
for WPA encrypted access. What is it you don't like about that popular
method?

Do you have an 'adversary' in range who is cracking WPA?


--
Mike Easter
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