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From: Unknown on 22 Mar 2010 16:54 It was very clear. He has never experienced the problem till recently. Win XP does NOT (by default) automatically defrag the boot disk. It must be a scheduled event. The OP did NOT initiate this event. You had best get your facts straight and read the other posts from the OP. Also please show where defrag is set by default. "Tim Meddick" <timmeddick(a)gawab.com> wrote in message news:O%23dqEcfyKHA.4752(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... > Was it not clear to you what Mr Leonard Grey wrote? > > "Background defragmentation has always been a feature of Windows XP" > > So then, why ask "question is why is it defragging since OP didn't > initiate it." ?? > > The plain fact is that Win XP will enable an internal setting (by default) > to AUTOMATICALLY (look it up!) defragment the boot disk when the PC is > idle... > > So the OP need do nothing to initiate this effect as it is already > enabled! > > Also, as Mr Grey points out, it occurs when the PC IS idle and desists > when the user intervenes (similar to the effect of a screensaver) and > thus, cannot be responsible for the slowing down of a PC! > > It is certainly NOT the effect of some malware, but a normal in-built > feature of WinXP! > > > Finally, to disable this feature (why you would want to, I don't know) > reset the following registry value : > > [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Dfrg\BootOptimizeFunction] > "Enable"="Y" > > ...and change it to : > > "Enable"="N" > > ...to disable automatic boot-disk background optimization by defrag.exe > > == > > Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) > > > > > "Unknown" <unknown(a)unknown.kom> wrote in message > news:Oe6BrweyKHA.5948(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> "Background defrag has always been a feature" doesn't really make any >> sense since programs and/or files in use cannot be >> defragged. The real question is why is it defragging since OP didn't >> initiate it. >> Does this occur immediately at startup or randomly happening. . >> "Leonard Grey" <l.grey(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message >> news:eax%23HCeyKHA.5292(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> Background defragmentation has always been a feature of Windows XP. The >>> defrags occur when your PC is idle. Therefore, it's not the cause for >>> your computer becoming slow. >>> --- >>> Leonard Grey >>> Errare humanum est >>> >>> Bright Spark wrote: >>>> Been using this XP for the past several years, and suddenly in the >>>> past 2-3 weeks, it has started automatically defragging on its own. I >>>> will notice that response time is dragging, etc., and when I check the >>>> Task Master it shows dfrgntfs.exe running. I haven't told it to >>>> defrag and I haven't set any automatic times for it to do so. I have >>>> checked all the Task Schedulers and other places I can think of >>>> where I might have accidentally set something, but nothing shows any >>>> auto defrag set. I would appreciate any help anyone can give me. Many >>>> thanks. Bright Spark >> >> >
From: Tim Meddick on 22 Mar 2010 16:56 Believe me, "defrag.exe" IS the initial executable that is called, however, then, depending on what file-system is employed on a drive, either "dfrgntfs.exe" (for NTFS) or "dfrgfat.exe" (for FAT12,16, 32) takes over. In actual fact, in this automatic background defrag, it's another sub-process that actually governs it : "dfrgres.dll". But the setting I quoted absolutely does govern the effect of automatic background boot-disk optimization and no other. Take it or leave it.... == Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) "Bright Spark" <brightspark-notnowhere(a)nomore.com> wrote in message news:vtkfq598fgfhkt6k7kfh2doi5fsqfuk9b6(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 20:10:46 -0000, "Tim Meddick" > <timmeddick(a)gawab.com> wrote: > >> >>As I said in my last post to "Unknown", "defrag.exe" is only actively scanning / >>defragmenting when the PC is idle. >> > "defrag.exe" is not the process that is running. It is "dfrgntfs.exe" > >>A process can still be in memory but use hardly any memory resources. >> >>When the PC is first perceived to be "idle" defrag.exe starts and begins it's scan >>and the defragmentation (optimization). Then, when the user intervenes, the >>process >>should go into a suspended mode waiting for the PC to become "idle" and begin to >>defragment again. >> >>While other applications are actively receiving user input the "defrag" process >>should not me using any more than a bare minimum of memory (below 100k) and >>therefore >>has no impact on PC performance. > > The process that starts automatically running on my computer, > "dfrgntfs.exe" is using between 500-600k and is definitely impacting > performance. >> >>If you are still bothered by this normal WinXP feature, again, as I wrote in my >>other >>post, you can turn it off by locating the registry value : > > Probably wouldn't be wise for me to do this since we seem to be > talking about two different pieces of the defragging process. >> >>[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Dfrg\BootOptimizeFunction] >>"Enable"="Y" >> >>...and change it from a "Y" (for Yes) to an "N" (for NO) : >> >>"Enable"="N" >> >>...to disable automatic boot-disk background optimization by defrag.exe >> >>== >> >>Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) >> >> > Thank you again. > > Bright Spark > >> >> >>"Bright Spark" <brightspark-notnowhere(a)nomore.com> wrote in message >>news:hfifq55u8ngkfukcu78i3q87npabend495(a)4ax.com... >>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 12:55:50 -0400, Leonard Grey >>> <l.grey(a)invalid.invalid> wrote: >>> >>>>Background defragmentation has always been a feature of Windows XP. The >>>>defrags occur when your PC is idle. Therefore, it's not the cause for >>>>your computer becoming slow. >>>>--- >>>>Leonard Grey >>>>Errare humanum est >>>> >>>>Bright Spark wrote: >>>>> Been using this XP for the past several years, and suddenly in the >>>>> past 2-3 weeks, it has started automatically defragging on its own. I >>>>> will notice that response time is dragging, etc., and when I check the >>>>> Task Master it shows dfrgntfs.exe running. I haven't told it to >>>>> defrag and I haven't set any automatic times for it to do so. >>>>> >>>>> I have checked all the Task Schedulers and other places I can think of >>>>> where I might have accidentally set something, but nothing shows any >>>>> auto defrag set. >>>>> >>>>> I would appreciate any help anyone can give me. >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Bright Spark >>> >>> Well, thank you for your reply, but from what I have discovered while >>> trying to solve this mystery is that even though it (supposedly) has >>> always been a feature of Windows XP, it should stop once the computer >>> is no longer idle. But it doesn't stop. If it were to occur while >>> the PC was idle I doubt I would have noticed it at all, but it >>> continues on while I am trying to work at my computer and does, >>> indeed, slow it down while it "does its thing" until I end the >>> process. >>> >>> Also, I have been using this computer for over 3 years almost 8-10 >>> hours per day since it is a function of my work, and I have never >>> noticed it doing this "background defragmentation" before. It's very >>> odd. >>> >>> Bright Spark >>> >>>
From: Tim Meddick on 22 Mar 2010 17:20 You are an idiot. I will explain. You are an idiot ,because you make statements without knowledge.... http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,1149277,00.asp == Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) "Unknown" <unknown(a)unknown.kom> wrote in message news:O6BkPHgyKHA.3884(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... > It was very clear. He has never experienced the problem till recently. > Win XP does NOT (by default) automatically defrag the boot disk. > It must be a scheduled event. > The OP did NOT initiate this event. > You had best get your facts straight and read the other posts from the OP. > Also please show where defrag is set by default. > "Tim Meddick" <timmeddick(a)gawab.com> wrote in message > news:O%23dqEcfyKHA.4752(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> Was it not clear to you what Mr Leonard Grey wrote? >> >> "Background defragmentation has always been a feature of Windows XP" >> >> So then, why ask "question is why is it defragging since OP didn't initiate it." >> ?? >> >> The plain fact is that Win XP will enable an internal setting (by default) to >> AUTOMATICALLY (look it up!) defragment the boot disk when the PC is idle... >> >> So the OP need do nothing to initiate this effect as it is already enabled! >> >> Also, as Mr Grey points out, it occurs when the PC IS idle and desists when the >> user intervenes (similar to the effect of a screensaver) and thus, cannot be >> responsible for the slowing down of a PC! >> >> It is certainly NOT the effect of some malware, but a normal in-built feature of >> WinXP! >> >> >> Finally, to disable this feature (why you would want to, I don't know) reset the >> following registry value : >> >> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Dfrg\BootOptimizeFunction] >> "Enable"="Y" >> >> ...and change it to : >> >> "Enable"="N" >> >> ...to disable automatic boot-disk background optimization by defrag.exe >> >> == >> >> Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) >> >> >> >> >> "Unknown" <unknown(a)unknown.kom> wrote in message >> news:Oe6BrweyKHA.5948(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> "Background defrag has always been a feature" doesn't really make any sense since >>> programs and/or files in use cannot be >>> defragged. The real question is why is it defragging since OP didn't initiate it. >>> Does this occur immediately at startup or randomly happening. . >>> "Leonard Grey" <l.grey(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message >>> news:eax%23HCeyKHA.5292(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>> Background defragmentation has always been a feature of Windows XP. The defrags >>>> occur when your PC is idle. Therefore, it's not the cause for your computer >>>> becoming slow. >>>> --- >>>> Leonard Grey >>>> Errare humanum est >>>> >>>> Bright Spark wrote: >>>>> Been using this XP for the past several years, and suddenly in the >>>>> past 2-3 weeks, it has started automatically defragging on its own. I >>>>> will notice that response time is dragging, etc., and when I check the >>>>> Task Master it shows dfrgntfs.exe running. I haven't told it to >>>>> defrag and I haven't set any automatic times for it to do so. I have checked >>>>> all the Task Schedulers and other places I can think of >>>>> where I might have accidentally set something, but nothing shows any >>>>> auto defrag set. I would appreciate any help anyone can give me. Many thanks. >>>>> Bright Spark >>> >>> >> > >
From: Unknown on 22 Mar 2010 17:40 You are the idiot because you ASSUME defrag is executed. Where on the URL you posted does it say defrag is started by default? I have had XP since day one and never had defrag run without my starting it. Talk about making statements without knowledge-----read the info at the URL you posted. You being British, do you know what defrag is? "Tim Meddick" <timmeddick(a)gawab.com> wrote in message news:Oy5E1VgyKHA.928(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... > You are an idiot. > > I will explain. > > You are an idiot ,because you make statements without knowledge.... > > http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,1149277,00.asp > > == > > Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) > > > > > "Unknown" <unknown(a)unknown.kom> wrote in message > news:O6BkPHgyKHA.3884(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> It was very clear. He has never experienced the problem till recently. >> Win XP does NOT (by default) automatically defrag the boot disk. >> It must be a scheduled event. >> The OP did NOT initiate this event. >> You had best get your facts straight and read the other posts from the >> OP. >> Also please show where defrag is set by default. >> "Tim Meddick" <timmeddick(a)gawab.com> wrote in message >> news:O%23dqEcfyKHA.4752(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>> Was it not clear to you what Mr Leonard Grey wrote? >>> >>> "Background defragmentation has always been a feature of Windows XP" >>> >>> So then, why ask "question is why is it defragging since OP didn't >>> initiate it." ?? >>> >>> The plain fact is that Win XP will enable an internal setting (by >>> default) to AUTOMATICALLY (look it up!) defragment the boot disk when >>> the PC is idle... >>> >>> So the OP need do nothing to initiate this effect as it is already >>> enabled! >>> >>> Also, as Mr Grey points out, it occurs when the PC IS idle and desists >>> when the user intervenes (similar to the effect of a screensaver) and >>> thus, cannot be responsible for the slowing down of a PC! >>> >>> It is certainly NOT the effect of some malware, but a normal in-built >>> feature of WinXP! >>> >>> >>> Finally, to disable this feature (why you would want to, I don't know) >>> reset the following registry value : >>> >>> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Dfrg\BootOptimizeFunction] >>> "Enable"="Y" >>> >>> ...and change it to : >>> >>> "Enable"="N" >>> >>> ...to disable automatic boot-disk background optimization by defrag.exe >>> >>> == >>> >>> Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> "Unknown" <unknown(a)unknown.kom> wrote in message >>> news:Oe6BrweyKHA.5948(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>> "Background defrag has always been a feature" doesn't really make any >>>> sense since programs and/or files in use cannot be >>>> defragged. The real question is why is it defragging since OP didn't >>>> initiate it. >>>> Does this occur immediately at startup or randomly happening. . >>>> "Leonard Grey" <l.grey(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message >>>> news:eax%23HCeyKHA.5292(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>> Background defragmentation has always been a feature of Windows XP. >>>>> The defrags occur when your PC is idle. Therefore, it's not the cause >>>>> for your computer becoming slow. >>>>> --- >>>>> Leonard Grey >>>>> Errare humanum est >>>>> >>>>> Bright Spark wrote: >>>>>> Been using this XP for the past several years, and suddenly in the >>>>>> past 2-3 weeks, it has started automatically defragging on its own. >>>>>> I >>>>>> will notice that response time is dragging, etc., and when I check >>>>>> the >>>>>> Task Master it shows dfrgntfs.exe running. I haven't told it to >>>>>> defrag and I haven't set any automatic times for it to do so. I have >>>>>> checked all the Task Schedulers and other places I can think of >>>>>> where I might have accidentally set something, but nothing shows any >>>>>> auto defrag set. I would appreciate any help anyone can give me. Many >>>>>> thanks. Bright Spark >>>> >>>> >>> >> >> >
From: Tim Meddick on 22 Mar 2010 18:39
And to answer that and your other question ... The AUTOMATIC BOOT-DISK OPTIMIZATION EXECUTED BY DEFRAG.EXE EVERY THREE DAYS CALLING EITHER DFRGNTFS.EXE OR DFRGFAT.EXE CONTROLLED BY DFRGRES.DLL AND UTLIIZING LAYOUT.INF, IS SET BY DEFAULT BY THE REGISTRY SETTING : [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Dfrg\BootOptimizeFunction] "Enable"="Y" PLEASE NOTICE THE "Enable"="Y" THAT IS "Y" FOR YES ENABLE THAT IS THE DEFAULT SETTING! == Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) P.S. I WILL admit that the URL that I quoted was a bit of a loss, I thought it explained further. I have so far only got the odd references from here and there - nothing that confirms and explains the whole thing. Nut be assured I am right about XP automatically optimizing the boot disk using background disk defragmentation and it being enabled by default AND not scheduled through the Task Scheduler (although, Task Scheduler must be enabled for it to work). "Unknown" <unknown(a)unknown.kom> wrote in message news:OQFQAhgyKHA.404(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > You are the idiot because you ASSUME defrag is executed. Where on the URL you > posted does it say defrag > is started by default? I have had XP since day one and never had defrag run without > my starting it. > Talk about making statements without knowledge-----read the info at the URL you > posted. > You being British, do you know what defrag is? > "Tim Meddick" <timmeddick(a)gawab.com> wrote in message > news:Oy5E1VgyKHA.928(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >> You are an idiot. >> >> I will explain. >> >> You are an idiot ,because you make statements without knowledge.... >> >> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,1149277,00.asp >> >> == >> >> Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) >> >> >> >> >> "Unknown" <unknown(a)unknown.kom> wrote in message >> news:O6BkPHgyKHA.3884(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>> It was very clear. He has never experienced the problem till recently. >>> Win XP does NOT (by default) automatically defrag the boot disk. >>> It must be a scheduled event. >>> The OP did NOT initiate this event. >>> You had best get your facts straight and read the other posts from the OP. >>> Also please show where defrag is set by default. >>> "Tim Meddick" <timmeddick(a)gawab.com> wrote in message >>> news:O%23dqEcfyKHA.4752(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>> Was it not clear to you what Mr Leonard Grey wrote? >>>> >>>> "Background defragmentation has always been a feature of Windows XP" >>>> >>>> So then, why ask "question is why is it defragging since OP didn't initiate it." >>>> ?? >>>> >>>> The plain fact is that Win XP will enable an internal setting (by default) to >>>> AUTOMATICALLY (look it up!) defragment the boot disk when the PC is idle... >>>> >>>> So the OP need do nothing to initiate this effect as it is already enabled! >>>> >>>> Also, as Mr Grey points out, it occurs when the PC IS idle and desists when the >>>> user intervenes (similar to the effect of a screensaver) and thus, cannot be >>>> responsible for the slowing down of a PC! >>>> >>>> It is certainly NOT the effect of some malware, but a normal in-built feature >>>> of WinXP! >>>> >>>> >>>> Finally, to disable this feature (why you would want to, I don't know) reset the >>>> following registry value : >>>> >>>> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Dfrg\BootOptimizeFunction] >>>> "Enable"="Y" >>>> >>>> ...and change it to : >>>> >>>> "Enable"="N" >>>> >>>> ...to disable automatic boot-disk background optimization by defrag.exe >>>> >>>> == >>>> >>>> Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Unknown" <unknown(a)unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>> news:Oe6BrweyKHA.5948(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>> "Background defrag has always been a feature" doesn't really make any sense >>>>> since programs and/or files in use cannot be >>>>> defragged. The real question is why is it defragging since OP didn't initiate >>>>> it. >>>>> Does this occur immediately at startup or randomly happening. . >>>>> "Leonard Grey" <l.grey(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message >>>>> news:eax%23HCeyKHA.5292(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>> Background defragmentation has always been a feature of Windows XP. The >>>>>> defrags occur when your PC is idle. Therefore, it's not the cause for your >>>>>> computer becoming slow. >>>>>> --- >>>>>> Leonard Grey >>>>>> Errare humanum est >>>>>> >>>>>> Bright Spark wrote: >>>>>>> Been using this XP for the past several years, and suddenly in the >>>>>>> past 2-3 weeks, it has started automatically defragging on its own. I >>>>>>> will notice that response time is dragging, etc., and when I check the >>>>>>> Task Master it shows dfrgntfs.exe running. I haven't told it to >>>>>>> defrag and I haven't set any automatic times for it to do so. I have checked >>>>>>> all the Task Schedulers and other places I can think of >>>>>>> where I might have accidentally set something, but nothing shows any >>>>>>> auto defrag set. I would appreciate any help anyone can give me. Many thanks. >>>>>>> Bright Spark >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > |