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From: Unknown on 23 Mar 2010 10:54 I'm sorry----my fault. I for got you were an idiot. You also believe boot optimization is defrag along with all your other fallacies. "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake(a)this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:5f3gq51pcmtmte3dphtk03l1d8h7hi3a1p(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:20:02 -0000, "Tim Meddick" > <timmeddick(a)gawab.com> wrote: > >> You are an idiot. >> >> I will explain. >> >> You are an idiot ,because you make statements without knowledge.... >> >> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,1149277,00.asp > > > > No, he's a troll, which is even worse than being an idiot. > > Making a mistake is acceptable. None of us is perfect and we all make > mistakes from time to time. But his working so hard to be anonymous > while attacking so many of us is the mark of a troll, and is not > acceptable. > > >> "Unknown" <unknown(a)unknown.kom> wrote in message >> news:O6BkPHgyKHA.3884(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> > It was very clear. He has never experienced the problem till recently. >> > Win XP does NOT (by default) automatically defrag the boot disk. >> > It must be a scheduled event. >> > The OP did NOT initiate this event. >> > You had best get your facts straight and read the other posts from the >> > OP. >> > Also please show where defrag is set by default. >> > "Tim Meddick" <timmeddick(a)gawab.com> wrote in message >> > news:O%23dqEcfyKHA.4752(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> >> Was it not clear to you what Mr Leonard Grey wrote? >> >> >> >> "Background defragmentation has always been a feature of Windows XP" >> >> >> >> So then, why ask "question is why is it defragging since OP didn't >> >> initiate it." >> >> ?? >> >> >> >> The plain fact is that Win XP will enable an internal setting (by >> >> default) to >> >> AUTOMATICALLY (look it up!) defragment the boot disk when the PC is >> >> idle... >> >> >> >> So the OP need do nothing to initiate this effect as it is already >> >> enabled! >> >> >> >> Also, as Mr Grey points out, it occurs when the PC IS idle and desists >> >> when the >> >> user intervenes (similar to the effect of a screensaver) and thus, >> >> cannot be >> >> responsible for the slowing down of a PC! >> >> >> >> It is certainly NOT the effect of some malware, but a normal in-built >> >> feature of >> >> WinXP! >> >> >> >> >> >> Finally, to disable this feature (why you would want to, I don't know) >> >> reset the >> >> following registry value : >> >> >> >> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Dfrg\BootOptimizeFunction] >> >> "Enable"="Y" >> >> >> >> ...and change it to : >> >> >> >> "Enable"="N" >> >> >> >> ...to disable automatic boot-disk background optimization by >> >> defrag.exe >> >> >> >> == >> >> >> >> Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Unknown" <unknown(a)unknown.kom> wrote in message >> >> news:Oe6BrweyKHA.5948(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> >>> "Background defrag has always been a feature" doesn't really make any >> >>> sense since >> >>> programs and/or files in use cannot be >> >>> defragged. The real question is why is it defragging since OP didn't >> >>> initiate it. >> >>> Does this occur immediately at startup or randomly happening. . >> >>> "Leonard Grey" <l.grey(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message >> >>> news:eax%23HCeyKHA.5292(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> >>>> Background defragmentation has always been a feature of Windows XP. >> >>>> The defrags >> >>>> occur when your PC is idle. Therefore, it's not the cause for your >> >>>> computer >> >>>> becoming slow. >> >>>> --- >> >>>> Leonard Grey >> >>>> Errare humanum est >> >>>> >> >>>> Bright Spark wrote: >> >>>>> Been using this XP for the past several years, and suddenly in the >> >>>>> past 2-3 weeks, it has started automatically defragging on its own. >> >>>>> I >> >>>>> will notice that response time is dragging, etc., and when I check >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> Task Master it shows dfrgntfs.exe running. I haven't told it to >> >>>>> defrag and I haven't set any automatic times for it to do so. I >> >>>>> have checked >> >>>>> all the Task Schedulers and other places I can think of >> >>>>> where I might have accidentally set something, but nothing shows >> >>>>> any >> >>>>> auto defrag set. I would appreciate any help anyone can give me. >> >>>>> Many thanks. >> >>>>> Bright Spark >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > > > -- > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 > Please Reply to the Newsgroup
From: Unknown on 23 Mar 2010 11:01 For what it's worth, my registry is also set to 'Y' meaning boot optimization is active. My computer runs the way yours once did. I believe you have a problem of something activating defrag. Try some processes of elimination.. Try shutting down malware, spyware and those types of programs and see if the problem continues. You may also want to try renaming the defrag program. Perhaps an error will occur if something tries to initiate defrag. Have you installed anything recently? Have you thought about system restore to a date prior to your problem? "Bright Spark" <brightspark-notnowhere(a)nomore.com> wrote in message news:k1jfq5923uma493n375vnmfhrojk1cgdbh(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:20:57 -0500, "Unknown" <unknown(a)unknown.kom> > wrote: > >>Does defrag startup immediately after booting on randomly sometime later. >>Check your startup folder? >>Run malware program? >>"Bright Spark" <brightspark-notnowhere(a)nomore.com> wrote in message >>news:2t6fq5te42vb483hvgt55rjlkggfp1thkv(a)4ax.com... >>> Been using this XP for the past several years, and suddenly in the >>> past 2-3 weeks, it has started automatically defragging on its own. I >>> will notice that response time is dragging, etc., and when I check the >>> Task Master it shows dfrgntfs.exe running. I haven't told it to >>> defrag and I haven't set any automatic times for it to do so. >>> >>> I have checked all the Task Schedulers and other places I can think of >>> where I might have accidentally set something, but nothing shows any >>> auto defrag set. >>> >>> I would appreciate any help anyone can give me. >>> >>> Many thanks. >>> >>> Bright Spark >> > My computer is pretty much "on" all the time - it is never shut down > unless to reboot for one reason or another. It doesn't happen upon > rebooting, but instead it appears to be random. > > Norton virus/malware protection is running constantly as well as > regular virus/malware full system scans. I also use CCleaner every > few days. > > Not sure what you mean by the "startup folder" - it's not in the > Startup menu, if that's the same thing. > > Bright Spark
From: Unknown on 23 Mar 2010 12:42 Is indexing set to manual in services? "Bright Spark" <brightspark-notnowhere(a)nomore.com> wrote in message news:npnhq59gjknsgd99m0ij0k4v4qdk4psrum(a)4ax.com... > Thank you, Unknown - I think I may be on to something with the > Indexing Service (see my other post to John John), and I have tried > most of the things you suggest, but I'm going to try them again as > well. > > Appreciate you trying to help. > > Bright Spark > > > On Tue, 23 Mar 2010 10:01:52 -0500, "Unknown" <unknown(a)unknown.kom> > wrote: > >>For what it's worth, my registry is also set to 'Y' meaning boot >>optimization is active. My computer runs the way yours >>once did. I believe you have a problem of something activating defrag. Try >>some processes of elimination.. Try shutting down malware, spyware and >>those >>types of programs and see if the problem continues. >>You may also want to try renaming the defrag program. Perhaps an error >>will >>occur if something tries to initiate defrag. >>Have you installed anything recently? Have you thought about system >>restore >>to a date prior to your problem? >>"Bright Spark" <brightspark-notnowhere(a)nomore.com> wrote in message >>news:k1jfq5923uma493n375vnmfhrojk1cgdbh(a)4ax.com... >>> On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 13:20:57 -0500, "Unknown" <unknown(a)unknown.kom> >>> wrote: >>> >>>>Does defrag startup immediately after booting on randomly sometime >>>>later. >>>>Check your startup folder? >>>>Run malware program? >>>>"Bright Spark" <brightspark-notnowhere(a)nomore.com> wrote in message >>>>news:2t6fq5te42vb483hvgt55rjlkggfp1thkv(a)4ax.com... >>>>> Been using this XP for the past several years, and suddenly in the >>>>> past 2-3 weeks, it has started automatically defragging on its own. I >>>>> will notice that response time is dragging, etc., and when I check the >>>>> Task Master it shows dfrgntfs.exe running. I haven't told it to >>>>> defrag and I haven't set any automatic times for it to do so. >>>>> >>>>> I have checked all the Task Schedulers and other places I can think of >>>>> where I might have accidentally set something, but nothing shows any >>>>> auto defrag set. >>>>> >>>>> I would appreciate any help anyone can give me. >>>>> >>>>> Many thanks. >>>>> >>>>> Bright Spark >>>> >>> My computer is pretty much "on" all the time - it is never shut down >>> unless to reboot for one reason or another. It doesn't happen upon >>> rebooting, but instead it appears to be random. >>> >>> Norton virus/malware protection is running constantly as well as >>> regular virus/malware full system scans. I also use CCleaner every >>> few days. >>> >>> Not sure what you mean by the "startup folder" - it's not in the >>> Startup menu, if that's the same thing. >>> >>> Bright Spark >>
From: Unknown on 23 Mar 2010 13:43 Also, if trying to correct your wrong posts is ATTACKING you and considered 'troll' and not acceptable may I suggest you grow up. "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake(a)this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message news:5f3gq51pcmtmte3dphtk03l1d8h7hi3a1p(a)4ax.com... > On Mon, 22 Mar 2010 21:20:02 -0000, "Tim Meddick" > <timmeddick(a)gawab.com> wrote: > >> You are an idiot. >> >> I will explain. >> >> You are an idiot ,because you make statements without knowledge.... >> >> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,1149277,00.asp > > > > No, he's a troll, which is even worse than being an idiot. > > Making a mistake is acceptable. None of us is perfect and we all make > mistakes from time to time. But his working so hard to be anonymous > while attacking so many of us is the mark of a troll, and is not > acceptable. > > >> "Unknown" <unknown(a)unknown.kom> wrote in message >> news:O6BkPHgyKHA.3884(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> > It was very clear. He has never experienced the problem till recently. >> > Win XP does NOT (by default) automatically defrag the boot disk. >> > It must be a scheduled event. >> > The OP did NOT initiate this event. >> > You had best get your facts straight and read the other posts from the >> > OP. >> > Also please show where defrag is set by default. >> > "Tim Meddick" <timmeddick(a)gawab.com> wrote in message >> > news:O%23dqEcfyKHA.4752(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >> >> Was it not clear to you what Mr Leonard Grey wrote? >> >> >> >> "Background defragmentation has always been a feature of Windows XP" >> >> >> >> So then, why ask "question is why is it defragging since OP didn't >> >> initiate it." >> >> ?? >> >> >> >> The plain fact is that Win XP will enable an internal setting (by >> >> default) to >> >> AUTOMATICALLY (look it up!) defragment the boot disk when the PC is >> >> idle... >> >> >> >> So the OP need do nothing to initiate this effect as it is already >> >> enabled! >> >> >> >> Also, as Mr Grey points out, it occurs when the PC IS idle and desists >> >> when the >> >> user intervenes (similar to the effect of a screensaver) and thus, >> >> cannot be >> >> responsible for the slowing down of a PC! >> >> >> >> It is certainly NOT the effect of some malware, but a normal in-built >> >> feature of >> >> WinXP! >> >> >> >> >> >> Finally, to disable this feature (why you would want to, I don't know) >> >> reset the >> >> following registry value : >> >> >> >> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Dfrg\BootOptimizeFunction] >> >> "Enable"="Y" >> >> >> >> ...and change it to : >> >> >> >> "Enable"="N" >> >> >> >> ...to disable automatic boot-disk background optimization by >> >> defrag.exe >> >> >> >> == >> >> >> >> Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> "Unknown" <unknown(a)unknown.kom> wrote in message >> >> news:Oe6BrweyKHA.5948(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> >>> "Background defrag has always been a feature" doesn't really make any >> >>> sense since >> >>> programs and/or files in use cannot be >> >>> defragged. The real question is why is it defragging since OP didn't >> >>> initiate it. >> >>> Does this occur immediately at startup or randomly happening. . >> >>> "Leonard Grey" <l.grey(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message >> >>> news:eax%23HCeyKHA.5292(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> >>>> Background defragmentation has always been a feature of Windows XP. >> >>>> The defrags >> >>>> occur when your PC is idle. Therefore, it's not the cause for your >> >>>> computer >> >>>> becoming slow. >> >>>> --- >> >>>> Leonard Grey >> >>>> Errare humanum est >> >>>> >> >>>> Bright Spark wrote: >> >>>>> Been using this XP for the past several years, and suddenly in the >> >>>>> past 2-3 weeks, it has started automatically defragging on its own. >> >>>>> I >> >>>>> will notice that response time is dragging, etc., and when I check >> >>>>> the >> >>>>> Task Master it shows dfrgntfs.exe running. I haven't told it to >> >>>>> defrag and I haven't set any automatic times for it to do so. I >> >>>>> have checked >> >>>>> all the Task Schedulers and other places I can think of >> >>>>> where I might have accidentally set something, but nothing shows >> >>>>> any >> >>>>> auto defrag set. I would appreciate any help anyone can give me. >> >>>>> Many thanks. >> >>>>> Bright Spark >> >>> >> >>> >> >> >> > >> > > > -- > Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP (Windows Desktop Experience) since 2003 > Please Reply to the Newsgroup
From: Tim Meddick on 23 Mar 2010 15:23
I'm not going to argue with someone who is so blind to what is true anymore, than to say this; I am "confusing" things am I? If defrag has got nothing to do with the boot optimize process, as you say, then why is the registry key that controls the boot optimize process called : HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Dfrg\BootOptimizeFunction ??? You will notice the "\Dfrg\" in the middle of that reg-path. Also, under the above key is a reg-value called : "ResourceDllName"="DfrgRes.dll" DfrgRes.dll being part of the automatic background boot-disk optimization performed by defrag. The WinXP boot-disk optimization is performed by a mix of (background) disk defragmentation and also improved performance by the realigning of the prefetch processes. This happens once every three days, as a rule, but can be forced by rebooting (twice) and executing the command : Rundll32.exe advapi32.dll,ProcessIdleTasks I think it is YOU that do not read the other posts, plus you didn't even check out the registry setting or even look it up! == Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) "Unknown" <unknown(a)unknown.kom> wrote in message news:uNWAmhpyKHA.404(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... > You are confusing boot optimization with defrag. May I suggest you Google 'defrag' > and read whhat it is. > "Tim Meddick" <timmeddick(a)gawab.com> wrote in message > news:uHjSYChyKHA.244(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >> And to answer that and your other question ... >> >> The AUTOMATIC BOOT-DISK OPTIMIZATION EXECUTED BY DEFRAG.EXE EVERY THREE DAYS >> CALLING EITHER DFRGNTFS.EXE OR DFRGFAT.EXE CONTROLLED BY DFRGRES.DLL AND UTLIIZING >> LAYOUT.INF, IS SET BY DEFAULT BY THE REGISTRY SETTING : >> >> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Dfrg\BootOptimizeFunction] >> "Enable"="Y" >> >> PLEASE NOTICE THE "Enable"="Y" THAT IS "Y" FOR YES ENABLE >> >> THAT IS THE DEFAULT SETTING! >> >> == >> >> Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) >> >> >> P.S. I WILL admit that the URL that I quoted was a bit of a loss, I thought it >> explained further. >> >> I have so far only got the odd references from here and there - nothing that >> confirms and explains the whole thing. Nut be assured I am right about XP >> automatically optimizing the boot disk using background disk defragmentation and >> it being enabled by default AND not scheduled through the Task Scheduler >> (although, Task Scheduler must be enabled for it to work). >> >> >> "Unknown" <unknown(a)unknown.kom> wrote in message >> news:OQFQAhgyKHA.404(a)TK2MSFTNGP02.phx.gbl... >>> You are the idiot because you ASSUME defrag is executed. Where on the URL you >>> posted does it say defrag >>> is started by default? I have had XP since day one and never had defrag run >>> without my starting it. >>> Talk about making statements without knowledge-----read the info at the URL you >>> posted. >>> You being British, do you know what defrag is? >>> "Tim Meddick" <timmeddick(a)gawab.com> wrote in message >>> news:Oy5E1VgyKHA.928(a)TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl... >>>> You are an idiot. >>>> >>>> I will explain. >>>> >>>> You are an idiot ,because you make statements without knowledge.... >>>> >>>> http://www.extremetech.com/article2/0,2845,1149277,00.asp >>>> >>>> == >>>> >>>> Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> "Unknown" <unknown(a)unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>> news:O6BkPHgyKHA.3884(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>> It was very clear. He has never experienced the problem till recently. >>>>> Win XP does NOT (by default) automatically defrag the boot disk. >>>>> It must be a scheduled event. >>>>> The OP did NOT initiate this event. >>>>> You had best get your facts straight and read the other posts from the OP. >>>>> Also please show where defrag is set by default. >>>>> "Tim Meddick" <timmeddick(a)gawab.com> wrote in message >>>>> news:O%23dqEcfyKHA.4752(a)TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl... >>>>>> Was it not clear to you what Mr Leonard Grey wrote? >>>>>> >>>>>> "Background defragmentation has always been a feature of Windows XP" >>>>>> >>>>>> So then, why ask "question is why is it defragging since OP didn't initiate >>>>>> it." ?? >>>>>> >>>>>> The plain fact is that Win XP will enable an internal setting (by default) to >>>>>> AUTOMATICALLY (look it up!) defragment the boot disk when the PC is idle... >>>>>> >>>>>> So the OP need do nothing to initiate this effect as it is already enabled! >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, as Mr Grey points out, it occurs when the PC IS idle and desists when >>>>>> the user intervenes (similar to the effect of a screensaver) and thus, cannot >>>>>> be responsible for the slowing down of a PC! >>>>>> >>>>>> It is certainly NOT the effect of some malware, but a normal in-built feature >>>>>> of WinXP! >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Finally, to disable this feature (why you would want to, I don't know) reset >>>>>> the following registry value : >>>>>> >>>>>> [HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Dfrg\BootOptimizeFunction] >>>>>> "Enable"="Y" >>>>>> >>>>>> ...and change it to : >>>>>> >>>>>> "Enable"="N" >>>>>> >>>>>> ...to disable automatic boot-disk background optimization by defrag.exe >>>>>> >>>>>> == >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :-) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> "Unknown" <unknown(a)unknown.kom> wrote in message >>>>>> news:Oe6BrweyKHA.5948(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>> "Background defrag has always been a feature" doesn't really make any sense >>>>>>> since programs and/or files in use cannot be >>>>>>> defragged. The real question is why is it defragging since OP didn't initiate >>>>>>> it. >>>>>>> Does this occur immediately at startup or randomly happening. . >>>>>>> "Leonard Grey" <l.grey(a)invalid.invalid> wrote in message >>>>>>> news:eax%23HCeyKHA.5292(a)TK2MSFTNGP06.phx.gbl... >>>>>>>> Background defragmentation has always been a feature of Windows XP. The >>>>>>>> defrags occur when your PC is idle. Therefore, it's not the cause for your >>>>>>>> computer becoming slow. >>>>>>>> --- >>>>>>>> Leonard Grey >>>>>>>> Errare humanum est >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Bright Spark wrote: >>>>>>>>> Been using this XP for the past several years, and suddenly in the >>>>>>>>> past 2-3 weeks, it has started automatically defragging on its own. I >>>>>>>>> will notice that response time is dragging, etc., and when I check the >>>>>>>>> Task Master it shows dfrgntfs.exe running. I haven't told it to >>>>>>>>> defrag and I haven't set any automatic times for it to do so. I have >>>>>>>>> checked all the Task Schedulers and other places I can think of >>>>>>>>> where I might have accidentally set something, but nothing shows any >>>>>>>>> auto defrag set. I would appreciate any help anyone can give me. Many >>>>>>>>> thanks. Bright Spark >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> > > |