Station's clock with respect to the train
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From: BURT on 31 Mar 2010 22:19 On Mar 31, 6:02 pm, "Paul Hovnanian P.E." <P...(a)Hovnanian.com> wrote: > BURT wrote: > > > On Mar 31, 3:26 pm, ben6993 <ben6...(a)hotmail.com> wrote: > > > On Mar 31, 9:11 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > > > > > When the train is passing the station at high speed and it looks at > > > > its clock SR says it will be running slow. But for how long can the > > > > station clock be running slow if it is aging faster? > > > > > This is the fundamental clock time contradiction in SR. > > > > > Mitch Raemsch > > > > A paradox is that British rail trains often run slower than the > > > clocks, yet there can still be anouncements of apologies for late > > > arrivals made only after the trains have already departed the > > > stations. > > > > Also, trains are often announced to be "shortly arriving". That does > > > not mean that they are travelling so fast that they have contracted in > > > length. It just means that a coach has been removed so that more > > > passengers need to stand. > > > Atoms don't shrink flat. > > How do you know? Because physics won't work. Mitch Raemsch > > -- > Paul Hovnanian mailto:P...(a)Hovnanian.com > ------------------------------------------------------------------ > If you're ridin' ahead of the herd, take a look back every now and > then to make sure it's still there.- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text -
From: DougC on 31 Mar 2010 23:36 BURT wrote: > When the train is passing the station at high speed and it looks at > its clock SR says it will be running slow. But for how long can the > station clock be running slow if it is aging faster? If it is passing the station at high speed, that is called an express train. The train that stops at all stations is called a local. Yet, for some reason all the clocks hanging on the wall in the stations remain on the same time, disregarding the antics of the trains. You need to look at the clocks aboard the trains. > This is the fundamental clock time contradiction in SR. Fundamental but a little hard to detect. Those express trains reach the end of the line and turn around for a speedy run the other direction. Does that undo the difference in the clock aboard? Or add to it? Doug Chandler
From: Sue... on 1 Apr 2010 00:47 On Mar 31, 4:11 pm, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > When the train is passing the station at high speed and it looks at > its clock SR says it will be running slow. But for how long can the > station clock be running slow if it is aging faster? > > This is the fundamental clock time contradiction in SR. http://meshula.net/wordpress/?p=222 Sue... > > Mitch Raemsch
From: John Murphy on 30 Apr 2010 19:14 On 31 Mar, 21:11, BURT <macromi...(a)yahoo.com> wrote: > When the train is passing the station at high speed and it looks at > its clock SR says it will be running slow. But for how long can the > station clock be running slow if it is aging faster? > > This is the fundamental clock time contradiction in SR. > > Mitch Raemsch It means that if the train is moving faster than the station, then the train is or is not moving at all, since the station is, in effect, going backwards. From the platform, we see it one way, from the train, another. All the same, it is convenient to think of the station as stationary so that it offers a reference point. The difficult arises when someone who is neither the station or the train has to report back. And where does he or she stand? If 'the train is standing in the station waiting to refuel', both the train and the station are neverthless moving in relation to the sun, the moon, and the stars: they are turning around galatically. Now, if they are turning around galactically, it is possible that they are, in turn, turning upon something else, but if they are, that something else must in turn be turning upon another thing and so on. And we can never find the last thing, simply because if we did there would have to be another last thing that found that thing, and so, forth we would have to go, but it may turn out that we are only dealing with a logical problem! Physics relies on relational movements within the relational university. As to gravity in physics, it is a bit like 'g' as a postulate in IQ assessment! There is of course an assymetry as regard the station clock- but only as regards things that are at different speeds fromit. -- Harbinger.
From: BURT on 30 Apr 2010 22:08
If the train watches the stations clock go slow then when does it have the time to age more? Mitch Raemsch |