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From: J. Clarke on 17 May 2010 07:53 On 5/16/2010 11:29 PM, nospam wrote: > In article<25c1v51lgtlfr7dkn7kjffl6a9n8e9uan3(a)4ax.com>, Mxsmanic > <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >>> doesn't need to. it affected the industry. >> >> It affected a few players in certain ways. It made no difference for Apple. > > yes it did. > >>> steve jobs wasn't at apple during that time. >> >> When the Mac was invented? > > the mac came out in january 1984. steve jobs left apple in september, > 1985 and returned in 1996, long after windows became dominant. And in the interim he successfully developed and unsuccessfully marketed what became OS/X, without which Apple would be dead by now.
From: SMS on 17 May 2010 10:39 On 17/05/10 4:53 AM, J. Clarke wrote: > On 5/16/2010 11:29 PM, nospam wrote: >> In article<25c1v51lgtlfr7dkn7kjffl6a9n8e9uan3(a)4ax.com>, Mxsmanic >> <mxsmanic(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >>>> doesn't need to. it affected the industry. >>> >>> It affected a few players in certain ways. It made no difference for >>> Apple. >> >> yes it did. >> >>>> steve jobs wasn't at apple during that time. >>> >>> When the Mac was invented? >> >> the mac came out in january 1984. steve jobs left apple in september, >> 1985 and returned in 1996, long after windows became dominant. > > And in the interim he successfully developed and unsuccessfully marketed > what became OS/X, without which Apple would be dead by now. That's not clear at all. If Apple hadn't went to OS/X (which is essentially a GUI on top of BSD Unix (just like early Windows products were a GUI on top of DOS)) they would have went to BeOS. BeOS had several advantages over OS/X. Apple was in negotiations with Be to license BeOS but Be wanted more than Apple would pay. Ironically, Windows 7 has many of the features that BeOS had ten years ago. It's not a GUI simply thrown on top of an aged OS like XP or OS/X.
From: nospam on 17 May 2010 10:48 In article <4bf1552a$0$1601$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net>, SMS <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote: > >>> When the Mac was invented? > >> > >> the mac came out in january 1984. steve jobs left apple in september, > >> 1985 and returned in 1996, long after windows became dominant. > > > > And in the interim he successfully developed and unsuccessfully marketed > > what became OS/X, without which Apple would be dead by now. > > That's not clear at all. If Apple hadn't went to OS/X (which is > essentially a GUI on top of BSD Unix (just like early Windows products > were a GUI on top of DOS)) they would have went to BeOS. BeOS had > several advantages over OS/X. like everything, it had some advantages and disadvantages. > Apple was in negotiations with Be to > license BeOS but Be wanted more than Apple would pay. apple ended up paying even more for next than they would have for be.
From: SMS on 17 May 2010 11:56 On 17/05/10 7:48 AM, nospam wrote: > In article<4bf1552a$0$1601$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net>, SMS > <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote: > >>>>> When the Mac was invented? >>>> >>>> the mac came out in january 1984. steve jobs left apple in september, >>>> 1985 and returned in 1996, long after windows became dominant. >>> >>> And in the interim he successfully developed and unsuccessfully marketed >>> what became OS/X, without which Apple would be dead by now. >> >> That's not clear at all. If Apple hadn't went to OS/X (which is >> essentially a GUI on top of BSD Unix (just like early Windows products >> were a GUI on top of DOS)) they would have went to BeOS. BeOS had >> several advantages over OS/X. > > like everything, it had some advantages and disadvantages. > >> Apple was in negotiations with Be to >> license BeOS but Be wanted more than Apple would pay. > > apple ended up paying even more for next than they would have for be. Yes that's true, and they ended up with an OS that was arguably not as good as BeOS and that needed far more work. But they ended up getting Jobs in the deal who understands the consumer electronics business in ways that Microsoft, Google, Motorola, etc., can only dream of. All the arguments over product features that an Apple product may lack that a competing product has, and the arguments over the premium prices of Apple products are moot when you are able to create and market compelling products and sell them at high margins. Ironically, BeOS would have been especially good for the iPad. It was being used on Internet Appliances that had low-power, lower performance processors, no fans, and no hard drive. It ran on the original web pad. Unlike most of the other embedded operating systems, the GUI was an integral part of the OS, not an application.
From: nospam on 17 May 2010 12:13
In article <4bf1672a$0$1617$742ec2ed(a)news.sonic.net>, SMS <scharf.steven(a)geemail.com> wrote: > >> Apple was in negotiations with Be to > >> license BeOS but Be wanted more than Apple would pay. > > > > apple ended up paying even more for next than they would have for be. > > Yes that's true, and they ended up with an OS that was arguably not as > good as BeOS and that needed far more work. you have that backwards. nextstep/openstep was *far* more mature than beos. next's technology known as webobjects was used to power the dell online store, but when apple bought next, they had to replace it due to pressure from a certain company that begins with m and ends with soft. beos also had a number of limitations. it too would have needed a *lot* of work, perhaps more than os x did. > But they ended up getting > Jobs in the deal who understands the consumer electronics business in > ways that Microsoft, Google, Motorola, etc., can only dream of. that turned out to be very good. > All the arguments over product features that an Apple product may lack > that a competing product has, and the arguments over the premium prices > of Apple products are moot when you are able to create and market > compelling products and sell them at high margins. there is no price premium if you match specs. > Ironically, BeOS would have been especially good for the iPad. It was > being used on Internet Appliances that had low-power, lower performance > processors, no fans, and no hard drive. It ran on the original web pad. > Unlike most of the other embedded operating systems, the GUI was an > integral part of the OS, not an application. classic mac os was not a gui layered on top, like windows/dos or osx/unix. |