Steve Jobs, the iPad, and cultural sugar water
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From: Oxford on 11 Jul 2010 14:55 AES <siegman(a)stanford.edu> wrote: > > just drag and drop movies, pdfs, audiobooks, books, text, music, > > podcasts, photos then "sync"... nothing ever has to be "purchased" to > > move it to the iPad, it's just as open as any apple product. > > Can this content then be taken off (for example, at the other end of a > trip) by a Mac or any other computer having USB capability but not > having iTunes? why would you want to take it off? it seems you don't understand the purpose of the iPad... it's a viewing or consumption device, there would never be a need to move the date back, just update it. very simple. what? itunes is just a "utility", if it's not "itunes" there would need to be another "utility" to move the data. sounds like you are new to computing... or "so old" you don't understand how modern computing operates. check this out... amazing... http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/conference-pad/id377782792?mt=8
From: Oxford on 11 Jul 2010 14:57 In article <m2lj9h28n8.fsf(a)rogue.de>, Peter Bruells <usernet(a)rogue.de> wrote: > It's obfuscating enough to render the iPod meanengless as a music > transport device. but the ipad supports all free media types, it's not limited to music.
From: Mike Hofman on 11 Jul 2010 15:17 AES <siegman(a)stanford.edu> wrote: > > This guy is clearly uniformed, you can drag and drop any normal content > > over to iTunes and "sync" it to your iPad, so there is no goal of making > > a profit beyond the initial sale of the iPad. > > > > Geez! > > I'm not saying that you can't put "open" content (content that has no > DRM measures built into it) into your iGadgets through iTunes; you > certainly can. yes, then what is your problem? > I'm saying that for any content that has DRM measures built into, > Apple's iGadgets will fully protect or enforce those DRM measures. If > you have content you've bought from Apple or though Apple, for example, > and the original producers of this content have included measures in > this content to keep you from freely transmitting it to others, Apple > will limit or constrain their hardware and software in all the ways > needed to enforce these restrictions. But Apple isn't behind DRM, they are 100% against it, you are talking about the content providers so your argument is misdirected. Apple doesn't "limit" anything, again you are are angry at "content providers", not Apple, so update your stance. > They don't _have_ to build in these restrictions. To do so to protect > their own interests in putting DRM on content they sell, and -- even > more important -- to keep themselves in the good graces of other content > vendors who will sell content thru Apple or for use on Apple iGadgets. They don't? Then how would the iTunes Store exist? How would the iBookstore become a reality? How would the movie section of AppleTV operate? Yes, everyone is for free content and iTunes supports all free content, so it seem your understanding of Apple products is shallow. > Let me put this all into one question for you. I can set my early model > iPod up as simply an external USB drive and drag and drop all kinds of > content (files of any type) onto it -- essentially use it as a pricey > flash drive. Suppose I want to do this, as a convenient method of > taking data along without having to lug my laptop along when heading out > on a business trip, for example. > > And suppose that included in these files are some professionally related > or business related audio files that I own, or that are completely open > unrestricted audio files (maybe a lecture or seminar related to the > trip, for example) -- audio files that are stored with and related to > the othe files I've loaded onto my iPod. And, I'd like to listen to > those files on the plane, in preparation for the meeting I'm going to. > > Well, here's what the iPod Users Guide says about that (after it tells > you how to set up the external drive mode of operation): > > To load music and other audio files onto iPod nano, you > must use iTunes. For example, you won�t see songs you > load with iTunes in the Macintosh Finder or in Windows > Explorer. Likewise, if you copy music files to iPod nano in > the Macintosh Finder or Windows Explorer, you won�t be > able to play them on iPod nano. > > So the question is, simply: WHY is the iPod this limited? WHY is this > trivially simple, ***yet useful*** (to some of us), capability blocked > off? But what you forgot is any program cam can PLAY that content... iTunes just makes it easy since it is 100% free and is on most machines. Where is the iPod limited? You admitted it was being used as a high quality "flash drive"... so what is the difference? > The answer is NOT technical. The code needed to play those audio files > is in the iPod; No, files on the iPod have nothing to do with being played on any other source. Audio files on your iPod can be played anywhere. You are talking about DRM files, which isn't related to Apple. > it's just blocked by Apple when the iPod is set up in > external disk mode. NO, 100% incorrect... the iPod does nothing to any file copied to it. > A simple if crude interface to navigate on the iPod > to those files stored in the iPod in external HD mode and then play them > with maintaining external disk mode would be a trivial bit of > programming. And doing this would pose no limitations on the much more > widely used iTunes interface beloved by all those iGadget users -- Yes, and that's why any newer car plays any music file on most any iPod. > they'd never even read about the optional "external disk" mode for their > iPods. > > The answer is instead totally DRM related. Read my paragraph you quoted > above: I stick by it. You just have a low understanding of how the iPod (and iPad) operates. NONE of the problems you are describing are related to Apple or the iPod, they are ALL related to content producers. Please learn the difference.
From: Todd Allcock on 11 Jul 2010 18:16 "Oxford" <apony(a)pasture.com> wrote in message news:apony-B0C9DA.10554911072010(a)n003-000-000-000.static.ge.com... > Todd Allcock <elecconnec(a)AnoOspamL.com> wrote: > >> Which is it? To add any cotent I want, it becomes a slave to an iTunes- >> enabled computer. If I don't sync it to a computer, I'm essentially >> limited to purchasing content from Apple/iTunes. > > no todd, you can add anything to an iPad without purchasing it from the > iTunes Store. you are confusing the iTunes "sync feature" and the iTunes > "Store". > > just drag and drop movies, pdfs, audiobooks, books, text, music, > podcasts, photos then "sync"... nothing ever has to be "purchased" to > move it to the iPad, Context, my dear Oxford, context. If you go back and read it slowly, I was taking issue with nospam's claim you don't need a computer to use an iPad. How do I "drag and drop" all those goodies to an iPad without a computer? My point was it's an either/or sort of thing- your iOS device is either a "slave" to a computer to get content, _or_ you need to purchase content (media) from the iTS. Admittedly, with only an iPhone 2G in the house, I haven't played with iOS4 yet. Can you save email attachments yet, or download files to the device in Safari? That would be an alternate method to get media on the device, but as far as I know, that still isn't possible, other than using Dropbox (but those media files won't show up in the iPod app- they play only from within the Dropbox app.) > it's just as open as any apple product. Damning it with praise there aren't you? ;)
From: Todd Allcock on 11 Jul 2010 20:02
At 11 Jul 2010 10:31:28 -0700 Michelle Steiner wrote: > In article <apony-B0C9DA.10554911072010(a)n003-000-000-000.static.ge.com>, > Oxford <apony(a)pasture.com> wrote: > > > > Which is it? To add any cotent I want, it becomes a slave to an > > > iTunes- enabled computer. If I don't sync it to a computer, I'm > > > essentially limited to purchasing content from Apple/iTunes. > > > > no todd, you can add anything to an iPad without purchasing it from the > > iTunes Store. you are confusing the iTunes "sync feature" and the iTunes > > "Store". > > > > just drag and drop movies, pdfs, audiobooks, books, text, music, > > podcasts, photos then "sync"... nothing ever has to be "purchased" to > > move it to the iPad, it's just as open as any apple product. > > As he said, if you don't buy it from the iTunes Store directly on the iPad > (or iPhone, or iPod Touch), you have to sync it with the iTunes application > on the computer. He's right and misread what he wrote. > > However, even though he's right, his complaint is meaningless because > there's nothing inherently wrong about using iTunes to sync the iDevice. Agreed- it wasn't a complaint, however. It was a counter-point to nospam's position that iPads work just fine without a sync computer. When nospam argued that users weren't locked-in to Apple-supplied content (which I agree you're not) I simply argued you can't support both positions simultaneously- either you need a sync computer, or you need to buy content (or, I suppose, use no stored media at all!) |