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From: houghi on 23 Dec 2005 13:25 felmon davis wrote: > there are all these drm restrictions on making copies of materials. anyone > know if any of them apply to making copies by ripping a stream? of course > I assume one is prohibited from reselling, etc. The same right apply as to any kind of music. Do you have the rights to that music or not? If not, then you are not alowed to copy. If you do, you can copy it. This might differ from country to country. In general you could say that you don't have the rights, so you are not allowed to do so. As it goes with copyrights, unless you have specific allowence to copy, you can not copy. There are several extentions to the copyright, like copyleft that will aloow you to make copies. Sometimes with extra restriction, like copyleft does. (Ain't that fun? The licence that gives more free-dom is actually a restriction. :-) -- houghi Please do not toppost http://houghi.org You are about to enter another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land of imagination. Next stop, Usenet
From: felmon davis on 23 Dec 2005 22:04 On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 19:25:26 +0100, houghi wrote: > felmon davis wrote: >> there are all these drm restrictions on making copies of materials. anyone >> know if any of them apply to making copies by ripping a stream? of course >> I assume one is prohibited from reselling, etc. > > The same right apply as to any kind of music. Do you have the rights to > that music or not? If not, then you are not alowed to copy. If you do, > you can copy it. yeah, I wasn't thinking. that is the obvious and obviously correct answer. so in one sense it's not even 'fair use'. with 'fair use' I might be allowed to make a copy of a cd for backup in case the original purchased one gets damaged. with ripping a stream I don't even have an 'original' I can claim to be making a copy of! so ripping is copyright infringement. Felmon
From: Valentin Guillen on 23 Dec 2005 22:43 On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 03:04:11 +0000, felmon davis wrote: > so ripping is copyright infringement. > > Felmon Life in the *real world* is NOT like television in the 50s: it is NOT in high-contrast black and white. Thank goodness for that....... Many music sources on the web *encourage* personal downloading and/or recording of their content. US copyright has a long established legal precedent of "fair use" doctrine, part of which enshrines making personal copies or recordings. Indeed the Sony tape/disk walkman, the VCR, TiVo, Xerox/copy machines, and many other examples are Predicated upon this legal doctrine. Thus, to make blanket assertions about "ripping" being equatable to automatic copyright infringement borders on the ludicrous. Now, I can't say what other regional or national law dictates, but certainly here in the US, we have historically enjoyed wide latitude regarding personal copies of a wide variety of content. Hence, it is wise to speak with great specificity when discussing these themes, and broad generalities serve no one. -- vg
From: houghi on 24 Dec 2005 07:09 Valentin Guillen wrote: > Hence, it is wise to speak with great specificity when discussing these > themes, and broad generalities serve no one. Yeah, that is what everybody says. -- houghi Please do not toppost http://houghi.org You are about to enter another dimension, a dimension not only of sight and sound but of mind. A journey into a wondrous land of imagination. Next stop, Usenet
From: Henk Oegema on 24 Dec 2005 11:18
felmon davis wrote: > On Fri, 23 Dec 2005 09:07:03 -0700, Valentin Guillen wrote: > >> Streamripper is the one. It's a command line utility which will record >> and separate the tracks. There are also GUI front-ends available for it. > > I use one of the gui's which is very attractive and useful, kstreamripper > (under kde). I can't find kstreamripper. I've looked under Multimedia but can't find it. (SuSE9.3) > > there are all these drm restrictions on making copies of materials. anyone > know if any of them apply to making copies by ripping a stream? of course > I assume one is prohibited from reselling, etc. > > it seems almost as easy and convenient to find a good radio station or two > and rip mp3's. sound quality is fine (for me). > > Felmon |